Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[Hank Chinaski]

Oct. 21: Sen. John Kerry reaches out to Dana Reeve, widow of paralyzed actor Christopher Reeve in Columbus, Ohio.


"Rather than rushing to the extreme opposite of Chris, the Reeves widow does the sensible thing and eases back, starting with a man who has movement in about half his body......."

So, who all is competing for second place?*



*larry tribute quote

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If a woman uses these words in her daily speech, she slowly begins transforming into a man, getting more hair and muscles."

Well then someday I'll become a real man, whereas you........

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
On another note, the NYT or maybe the Washington Post or LA Times, I forget, has a very interesting article today about the disbanding of the Iraqi military, and they seem to lay it squarely on Bremer's shoulders (which surprised me a little bit).

Hey, are you still interested in buying a bridge?



For you, cheap!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

I go away for a few hours and this place turns into the FB. OK, I outa here again. Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I go away for a few hours and this place turns into the FB. OK, I outa here again. Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.

Not if Ashcroft has his way.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Yeah, that explains the beginning of your logic, but not your end. How do you or any other human come to the conclusion of Nothing, That's It, Game's Over? Further, once you do, do you not feel things like fear, guilt, regret, anxiety, doubt, or any of the other numerous human emotions that seem inherent in a normal human? If so, why would you feel guilty or regretful or anxiety or fearful or doubtful (in cases where this question is relevant). What explains these emotions to someone who believes in nothing, that's it, game over? What would cause such fear, guilt, regret, anxiety and doubt in someone who truly does not believe in consequences?

Don't get me wrong, I believe in rational behavior, and I see the same fear as being a motivation for a lot of human behavior. It seems impossible to rationalize away a morality-based emotion system entirely.

I reach the conclusion that death is the end because there is no proof to the contrary. And as explained before, arguing "Well, you can't prove there's no afterlife" is only a rebuttal if we're in fourth grade.

Of course everyone fears the end. Animals fear the end. That fear and anxiety is not exclusively human by any stretch. People who admit thaat death is probably the end fear it even more than people like you, who trick themselves into believing there's a fifth quarter. For non-bleivers, death is more finite.

Religion is your drug, your hedge. Its what you run to instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

The fear that secularists have of is not feaar of consequences. Thats a pretty specious argument, don't you think? If a man does not believe in heaven and hell, what sort of consequence does he fear? Your argument appeaars to assume that we all secretly believe in the afterlife and anxiety derives from fear of damnation. Thats rather parochial, even for you.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I reach the conclusion that death is the end because there is no proof to the contrary. And as explained before, arguing "Well, you can't prove there's no afterlife" is only a rebuttal if we're in fourth grade.

Of course everyone fears the end. Animals fear the end. That fear and anxiety is not exclusively human by any stretch. People who admit thaat death is probably the end fear it even more than people like you, who trick themselves into believing there's a fifth quarter. For non-bleivers, death is more finite.

Religion is your drug, your hedge. Its what you run to instead of dealing with the issue at hand.

The fear that secularists have of is not feaar of consequences. Thats a pretty specious argument, don't you think? If a man does not believe in heaven and hell, what sort of consequence does he fear? Your argument appeaars to assume that we all secretly believe in the afterlife and anxiety derives from fear of damnation. Thats rather parochial, even for you.

My dear boy, you say my hedge? I'd actually submit that your fear is your hedge. Ironic, no? You be sure to let me know when you aren't afraid of the end, and I'll continue the conversation with the true atheist you've become at that time. Until then, you are the Converted. A Believer so to say. Mass is at 5:00 on Saturday.

ETA: Oops, and I missed that thing about animals. How would you know that animals fear the end? I've seen animals die quite peacefully after being bad their whole lives. We used to have this dog Sandy who was constantly grabbing garbage from a garbage can and then walking by us in the living room while watching us from the corner of her eye, like "come and get me, bitch".

I say you have no explanation for your fear, and you end up speculating on whether animals think about the afterline. My dear, dear, dear friend, did you say my line of reasoning is specious? Holy BeJeezus.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Hey, are you still interested in buying a bridge?



For you, cheap!

Which part didn't you believe? Its your papers that said it.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by NotFromHere

Now you all know what my breasts look like, so stop asking to see pictures, 'kay? You've seen them.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
speaking of dweeby freaks from a bygone era....

Asshole. I thought you were on my side.

[Not Me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Go nuts, y'all. I expect to see everyone naked when I come back.

Not Me [SPEE - see through shirt]


eta: That's a bit more than a see-thru shirt. It's a link to a porn site. Caveat Emptor. - Slave

[Adder]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SlaveNoMore


I take it from the avatar that your lost a bet??

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
This implies both that (1) the political spectrum is essentially, a cylinder (or a continuous band, if you prefer), and (2) the far right and far left "mainstreams" in America are essentially mirror images of each other well towards the center.

This is a cool analogizing experience at face. Substantively, this is total crap.

Did you really say this?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by dtb
he said modestly.

There's no way else I can talk, dear.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Not Bob
But one of his recent posts raises a question I constantly ask: Why isn't everyone a Democrat?

There's this story of the famine-hit village where people are hungry, stores are empty, and months of winter beckon.

The dem pulls out the seed stock and cook it up. All the people caught short because of poor planning, lost jobs, and dead crops are thrilled. Everyone eats.

Then, next spring, everyone dies.