Objectively intelligent.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/o...us-states.html

BREAK IT UP: Secession, Division, and the Secret History of America's Imperfect Union is out August 18.

But the Supremacy Clause gets in the way of all those plans.

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

But the Supremacy Clause gets in the way of all those plans.

Not of secession. Take a few crates of tea, throw them into the river and put a fucking tank at the Holland Tunnel.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Not of secession. Take a few crates of tea, throw them into the river and put a fucking tank at the Holland Tunnel.

The feds have more tanks. Try that, and a hundred and fifty years later you get this.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The feds have more tanks. Try that, and a hundred and fifty years later you get this.

Body shaming others is exposing yourself as deserving moral shaming.

[Icky Thump]

Few cases of outdoor transmission in China

[Icky Thump]

Score one for team herd

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coron...twice-11981721

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally Posted by Icky Thump

Score one for team herd

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coron...twice-11981721

there is a future! And this means that mostly we all have to agree that less/sebby are basically correct (I forget the meme)? There will be waves in the future.

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

there is a future! And this means that mostly we all have to agree that less/sebby are basically correct (I forget the meme)? There will be waves in the future.

But, to paraphrase a friend of mine on Facebook, people are dying! Yup. And we seem to be at the point that, for most places, continued shut down only spreads those deaths out over time.

Unlike many, though, I don't think there should have been Federal mandates. I don't think there should be state mandates. The situation in Modoc County, CA is completely different from Los Angeles County. LA is slammed with cases and hospitalizations. Modoc is not. Governor Newsom's one-size-fits-all approach is ham-handed and idiotic. If I was a barber, waiter or restauranteur in Modoc, I would be researching how to get Putin to put some Polonium-210 in Gavin's hair gel.

Edit - Gavin is safe - https://www.thedailybeast.com/modoc-...Ha0woMn06rt1yI

[Icky Thump]

Originally Posted by LessinSF

But, to paraphrase a friend of mine on Facebook, people are dying! Yup. And we seem to be at the point that, for most places, continued shut down only spreads those deaths out over time.

Unlike many, though, I don't think there should have been Federal mandates. I don't think there should be state mandates. The situation in Modoc County, CA is completely different from Los Angeles County. LA is slammed with cases and hospitalizations. Modoc is not. Governor Newsom's one-size-fits-all approach is ham-handed and idiotic. If I was a barber, waiter or restauranteur in Modoc, I would be researching how to get Putin to put some Polonium-210 in Gavin's hair gel.

Edit - Gavin is safe - https://www.thedailybeast.com/modoc-...Ha0woMn06rt1yI

Free Murica rallies alive and well in the West Village.

This country doesn't have the smrts to effectively use mask and social distancing rules, which work everywhere else.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

But, to paraphrase a friend of mine on Facebook, people are dying! Yup. And we seem to be at the point that, for most places, continued shut down only spreads those deaths out over time.

I waded onto FB thru spouse's account a few weeks back. It's remarkable from an anthropological perspective. You can see the people who can think through this thing and spot the essential issue. It's roughly 1/3 of people I observed. Then you have a third that see everything thru a political lens. These people are the morons of the bunch, arguing about blame endlessly. Then you have the scared people who seem to have thought that if they just locked down for a bit, the disease would miss them, like a modern Passover. That last group doesn't seem to grasp the concept of viruses very well, and they seem to be sincerely confused and frightened. Nevertheless, their holding onto an ignorance regarding the operation of viruses - a very attractive ignorance, or perhaps delusion - endangers the rest of us by causing people to think an endless lockdown works.

Unlike many, though, I don't think there should have been Federal mandates. I don't think there should be state mandates. The situation in Modoc County, CA is completely different from Los Angeles County. LA is slammed with cases and hospitalizations. Modoc is not. Governor Newsom's one-size-fits-all approach is ham-handed and idiotic. If I was a barber, waiter or restauranteur in Modoc, I would be researching how to get Putin to put some Polonium-210 in Gavin's hair gel.

Alito has compelled our governor to explain in a filing ordered to be sent to SCOTUS on Monday how he selected certain businesses for mandatory closure while exempting others. I don't think he was political, but the lobbyists and people below him are very political. Many unions and trade groups are going to find themselves investigated after this situation ends. The selection of winners and losers was arbitrary in numerous regards.

(I love that throughout this I have watched a developer build an entire housing development down the street, and another put one up a few miles further, despite there being a ban on construction services. I'd be appalled to see a bar, restaurant, or club owner defy the governor as that's high risk stuff. But the ban on construction was silly and I think done opportunistically at the behest of unions. Good on those developers for borrowing from the Uber business model and openly ignoring it.)

[LessinSF]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

Alito has compelled our governor to explain in a filing ordered to be sent to SCOTUS on Monday how he selected certain businesses for mandatory closure while exempting others. I don't think he was political, but the lobbyists and people below him are very political. Many unions and trade groups are going to find themselves investigated after this situation ends. The selection of winners and losers was arbitrary in numerous regards.

Presumably the test will be "rational basis." So, absent compelling evidence of malfeasance and corruption, this court is not going there.

[Adder]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

I waded onto FB thru spouse's account a few weeks back. It's remarkable from an anthropological perspective. You can see the people who can think through this thing and spot the essential issue. It's roughly 1/3 of people I observed. Then you have a third that see everything thru a political lens. These people are the morons of the bunch, arguing about blame endlessly. Then you have the scared people who seem to have thought that if they just locked down for a bit, the disease would miss them, like a modern Passover. That last group doesn't seem to grasp the concept of viruses very well, and they seem to be sincerely confused and frightened. Nevertheless, their holding onto an ignorance regarding the operation of viruses - a very attractive ignorance, or perhaps delusion - endangers the rest of us by causing people to think an endless lockdown works.



Alito has compelled our governor to explain in a filing ordered to be sent to SCOTUS on Monday how he selected certain businesses for mandatory closure while exempting others. I don't think he was political, but the lobbyists and people below him are very political. Many unions and trade groups are going to find themselves investigated after this situation ends. The selection of winners and losers was arbitrary in numerous regards.

(I love that throughout this I have watched a developer build an entire housing development down the street, and another put one up a few miles further, despite there being a ban on construction services. I'd be appalled to see a bar, restaurant, or club owner defy the governor as that's high risk stuff. But the ban on construction was silly and I think done opportunistically at the behest of unions. Good on those developers for borrowing from the Uber business model and openly ignoring it.)

Here's the thing, though. Close to everywhere else in the world, aside from the UK and Sweden, has managed to use lockdowns, masks and testing to actually shrink their case count. They aren't racing toward a mislabeled "herd immunity" that is actually just everyone getting sick as soon as possible. Why couldn't we do that? Well, partly do to poor preparation, leadership and messaging. We, like the UK, stumbled before we even got to the starting line.

Meanwhile, I went to the grocery store this morning. In the parking lot, I saw a guy walk out with three items (wasn't wearing a mask but might just taken it off). The first people I saw inside was a elderly couple shopping together with no mask. Maybe we're just too stupid as a people to grasp the basics of minimizing exposure.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield

But the ban on construction was silly and I think done opportunistically at the behest of unions.

Don't the unions want the jobs?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski

there is a future! And this means that mostly we all have to agree that less/sebby are basically correct (I forget the meme)? There will be waves in the future.

There remains a divergence between Less and me. I still think it's wise to lean in cautiously to avoid overwhelming health systems.

We're not as disciplined or healthy as the Swedes.

YMMV, but docs around here are telling the older folks who are not in nursing homes to exercise and eat well because they are going to get it.

We're all infantry, to use a miserable but fitting war analogy.

[Icky Thump]

So sorry, behind door number 3 is a used diaper