Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Notwithstanding the cosmic wrongness of the fiduciary analogy, sex is not the same as any other human activity for which a person may be held responsible. As you and I both know, once you hit 14, its a biological urge that can all but overwhelm ones life. To hold women hostage to a quirk of nature (not getting that Y chromosome you and I did) is not the same as holding them accountable when they drive drunk.

This is where the need for progressive interpretation of rights runs headlong into conservative rigidity. I am staunchly social Darwinist on 99% of these matters. I don't agree with many govt social safety nets. BUT, I think progressive policies which try to equal the rights and burdens of the sexes are fair and proper in a free market society. We can't have a fair playing field where one side pays a draconian penalty for a biological urge (or broken condom) and the other gets to walk away from it (I suggest you not even attempt to make the argument that are equally responsible because they have to pay paternity... thats a dead lock loser for innumerable reasons).

I can appreciate what I know your comeback will be - "people must play the cards they're dealt... women included." I agree with that on all things but reprdocutive rights. I think such a belief would keep women out of productive jobs, thus holding back our society and our markets. Nobody benefits where half the workforce can be taken out of commission because of a biological urge or malfunction of birth control.

Again, you're not anti-woman. You're rigidly libertarian. The pro-lifers, however, are absolutely, 100%, card carrying anti-woman.

I agree with what most everything Slave said last night. I am 100% pro-personal responsibility. Unless we decide as a society that we all get do overs for the negative consequences of our behaviors then I don't conception requires a special dispensation. Further, I believe that the unborn child has the same rights a born child much earlier than current law accounts for. First trimester I am willing to give an out, although I am still off put by the choice. After that I view it as a separate life, dependent but separate. Possibly inconvenient but separate.

In the alternative universe that you live in I don't understand why you characterize yourself as pro-woman, how about pro-parents who want to shirk their responsbility? When I was first a parent there were nights when I was up all night because the kid was awake crying and your mind starts to wander......wasn't life easier before this thing....i want to do what i want to do when i want to do it......this thing is drag........fuck it, i want my life back!!! A six month old is not independent, in fact they are fully dependent so it's not like its really an independent life. In those cases at those times why shouldn't a dad or a mom (I'm equally opportunity pro-parents who want to shirk their responsibility) be able to pillow smother the inconvenient kid (rather than place it into social services where it would burden society/taxpayers)??

Or better yet, just stop feeding and hydrating it, the liberals told me that such a method of killing was the most humane form of death possible when the state of Florida sanctioned the murder of Terri Schiavo.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Or better yet, just stop feeding and hydrating it, the liberals told me that such a method of killing was the most humane form of death possible when the state of Florida sanctioned the murder of Terri Schiavo.

Florida should have taxed you personally for the cost of irrigating that vegetable. Why didn't you offer this, if you loved her so dearly?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield


You're free to do it anyway, of course, but understand that, to women, it will always look pretty goddamned hypocritical.

So? My life is a hypocritical disaster, ask Slave, he has seen the height of my daily hypocrasy.

Is your concern getting pvssy? Here's a clue: lying when not under oath is okay in the pursuit in pvssy. (no offence)

[Sidd Finch]

Tony Blair has called for an international conference on stopping Islamic extremism.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050720/...itain_bombings


I don't know if this is the way to go about it, but in general I think Blair has the right idea -- engaging, and challenging, Muslims to speak out against terror.


A week or so ago I joined several of the more conservative folk here in criticizing the notion that terror naturally grows from poverty. It doesn't. Rich countries and rich individuals support terror, too. The cannon fodder may come from poor countries and communities, but even that is not always the case. And terror tactics never really found root in the poorest of the poor communities in Africa and elsewhere.

Ultimately, terror tactics are a matter of culture. Decades of talking about killing the infidel, all Americans/westerners/ whatever are mortal enemies, applauding Arafat for his high-profile terror tactics, and so forth -- and the end result is that Muslims, especially young male muslims who like the idea of a blaze of glory -- see terror as legitimate. (In a similar vein, after a few years of the right wing in this country ranting about the government's "jack-booted thugs," broadcasting the importance of "head shots," and generally painting government as the enemy of the people, some came to see bombing a federal building as a legitimate response.)

And, ultimately, terror won't stop unless the communities in which it grows reject it -- loudly and emphatically. And without any caveats ("Oh, what about all the children that Israel kills?" or "Oh, but you have to understand the frustration of muslim youth.")

One reason -- in my view, one key reason -- that the murder rate in this country dropped so precipitously was that black community leaders started speaking out against the violence in their communities. Without trying to justify or rationalize it, and without equivocating.

Until the imams do the same, the cannon fodder will keep on lining up. I long for the day when major cities see Islamic anti-violence or anti-terror marches.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Florida should have taxed you personally for the cost of irrigating that vegetable. Why didn't you offer this, if you loved her so dearly?

I did Jackass, Medicare and Medicaid (in part) funding comes from Federal money. I pay federal taxes, although I would rather that my money not go for state sanctioned deprivations of life (and that includes the death penalty).

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
In a world in which Senators have to spend a lot of time out of Washington, and travel is difficult, I can imagine Senate rules permitting measures to be passed by less than half the votes (but a majority of those present). I can also imagine the Senate agreeing to require supermajorities. The point is, if the Senate agrees to set those rules in advance, that is how it has chosen to act. Burger's point, I think, is that the Senate is authorized by the Constitution to adopt rules, which may on occasion frustrate the will of the majority. No one has ever thought that that alone violates the Constitution.

That's what proxies are for. If you are actually suggesting that anyone envisioned things passing out of the house or senate by anything other than majority (except where the constitution is express), you are out of your gord. There would be absolute revolt.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
That you're confusing the ultimate vote with the procedures that are used to reach it. The Senate does not require a supermajority for consent. But it may require a supermajority to get to the point of voting on whether it consents, just as it does in getting to the point of voting on any legislation.

2. For the record.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Maybe you can answer this for me... Maybe you can't...

Why is it that the party thats so gung ho about undoing the New Deal

Do we live in the same world. The GOP has embraced the new deal. What the fuck to you call the presciption drug entitlement?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I did Jackass, Medicare and Medicaid (in part) funding comes from Federal money. I pay federal taxes, although I would rather that my money not go for state sanctioned deprivations of life (and that includes the death penalty).

No, dipshit. Not for a nickel. For the entire cost. You so badly wanted the carrot to live, you should have been willing to pay for it.

Why do you have such a hard-on for Schiavo? You figure you had a shot with her, given the shriveled brain and inability to run away?

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't think so. The Constitution doesn't say that Bills must pass either house by majority vote. It is silent on that. So under your theory, the Senate or House could, for instance, pass a supermajority requirement to pass a bill.

Here in CA, we have a supermajority requirement to pass a bil that would raise any new revenues. Nobody has been able to prove that is unconstitutional.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I agree with what most everything Slave said last night. I am 100% pro-personal responsibility. Unless we decide as a society that we all get do overs for the negative consequences of our behaviors then I don't conception requires a special dispensation. Further, I believe that the unborn child has the same rights a born child much earlier than current law accounts for. First trimester I am willing to give an out, although I am still off put by the choice. After that I view it as a separate life, dependent but separate. Possibly inconvenient but separate.

In the alternative universe that you live in I don't understand why you characterize yourself as pro-woman, how about pro-parents who want to shirk their responsbility? When I was first a parent there were nights when I was up all night because the kid was awake crying and your mind starts to wander......wasn't life easier before this thing....i want to do what i want to do when i want to do it......this thing is drag........fuck it, i want my life back!!! A six month old is not independent, in fact they are fully dependent so it's not like its really an independent life. In those cases at those times why shouldn't a dad or a mom (I'm equally opportunity pro-parents who want to shirk their responsibility) be able to pillow smother the inconvenient kid (rather than place it into social services where it would burden society/taxpayers)??

Or better yet, just stop feeding and hydrating it, the liberals told me that such a method of killing was the most humane form of death possible when the state of Florida sanctioned the murder of Terri Schiavo.

So you admit that you value the fetus over the person carrying it after 3 months? I'm not disparaging your position; I'm merely clarifying it.

Its one thing to bury your position in frothy explanatory prose (like a pork rider in an omnibus bill) or water it down, both of which you’ve done here. Its quite another to come right out and say clearly what you mean.

You’re welcome. There’s nothing I enjoy more than helping someone clearly say what he so obviously means.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Moveon:



Move "on" is right.

Move the fuck to Canada, you fucking losers. God speed.

Your concept of federalism seems to be expanding.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
No, dipshit. Not for a nickel. For the entire cost. You so badly wanted the carrot to live, you should have been willing to pay for it.

Why do you have such a hard-on for Schiavo? You figure you had a shot with her, given the shriveled brain and inability to run away?

The politics of personal destruction, nice.

I don't have a line item veto on where my tax dollars go and there's no reason I should have to fund one beneficiary of public benefits. There are lots of people on the public dole who don't deserve to be there, maybe we should have defunded them for Schiavo.

Either way, state sanctioned murder remains the case the state of Florida gave us. You obviously revel in the blood on your hands (and show a great deal of disrespect for the innocent victims life and death. Why are the liberals such haters?). For me, my indirect complicity in her murder is deeply troubling.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Do we live in the same world. The GOP has embraced the new deal. What the fuck to you call the presciption drug entitlement?

A tight, passionate, mutually beneficial hug with Big Pharma, which lasts until the end of the party.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Do we live in the same world. The GOP has embraced the new deal. What the fuck to you call the presciption drug entitlement?

I call it exactly what it is - a naked vote grab.