Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
All of the lies proffered by Ty and TurdShifter have come from blogs.

Ergo, it's only fair to point that out.

To point what out? That some ol-meanie blogs won't let you post comments? Boo hoo.

[nononono]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You don't know me. I am acutely aware that this life is the only one. I would be intensely resentful and bitter if I suffered such a horrible misfortune.

But, I have a relative who was, shall we say "slow" as a result of a birth issue. Em's been in a very nice care facility for a long time and its been very little trouble to anyone (except the cost - we chose to pay rather than try to fuck the govt into paying for em's care). So there are ways around it.

My life ain't stopping or slowing for shit. Its all you got.

Of course I don't, and yes, I expected that to be an answer. Of course I don't have a counter to it, which is fine by me.

(Birth defects or "slowness" comes in a lot of variations, just as an aside).

If we're assuming severe birth defects here - I would never, ever want to have that happen to a child of mine, and when I got back a test result that led to an amnio (no problems, thank God - I'm not posting a personal story), I certainly felt I could not handle a severely disabled child. Wouldn't want to, couldn't, whatever. Pretty sure what I would do. Having had the benefit of a few years as a parent, though, what you think you can or are willing to handle really often does morph. No, ltl/fb, not transformed through the magic of childbirth, but it shifts. If you know it won't, then you're right not to go down that road at all.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
You're missing a large part of the problem: how to deal with the unwanted child. It's great to say personal responsibility when the result if a fried brain or an ugly tattoo. But pregnancy results in more than that.

If that's the problem by extension how do we deal with people who want a partial opt-out? For me I am fine picking up food, shelter and clothes but I want someone else to pick up my unwanted $40K tuition bill. Takers?

There are easy ways to avoid pregnancy and the relative cost is not all that different from a pack of cigarettes or a beer, which most of the bums i see on the street have no trouble affording, so they can't be that cost prohibitive.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Actually, I always liked you [vaguely] until last week.

I'm quite reticent, but if you wanna bring it and go "nuclear", go ahead kid. But see comments below.

eta1) I was responding to Sebby, but clicked on the wrong post, (2) Nevertheless, I pulled out the initial "douche" , so I'm offering to pull it back

Nope. I retract.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Every child a wanted child. I feel strongly about this.

Adopt them out if you miss the time cut off. I understand there is a quite a market for this.

Originally posted by ltl/fb

Oh, and they did a study on kids who are now 8 who were born very prematurely (like 29 weeks, I think -- it's on Yahoo or CNN or NYT today) and something like 79% had some kind of developmental disorder/disability. Just wanted to throw that into the mix of magical trimesters, because 29 weeks is just over the edge into the *third* trimester, I think.

What's your point? I wasn't making a viability argument.

[nononono]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
No doubt he would be, through the magical transformation of parenthood.

OK, you are coming off very condescending and irritating in this line. I'm just saying. Am I going to have to peg your grandpa?

Condescending and irritating, excellent! My work here is done. ;-) No, really, I know it sounded that way, and I hate that, too. Just, well, see supra. Not intended.

Are we supposed to point out every time someone is condescending or irritating? Because I should be posting a lot more. Just saying. :-) Now, peg? grandpa?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If that's the problem by extension how do we deal with people who want a partial opt-out? For me I am fine picking up food, shelter and clothes but I want someone else to pick up my unwanted $40K tuition bill. Takers?
.

Just make sure they don't graduate HS until they're 18. Problem solved.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
I would suspect that if you found yourself in the situation, you would probably think less about how it will affect your own life and more about what you can do to improve the child's life.

Hopefully for the child's sake, although remember the liberals are a crowd who thinks starving someone to death is humane.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
That's what proxies are for. If you are actually suggesting that anyone envisioned things passing out of the house or senate by anything other than majority (except where the constitution is express), you are out of your gord. There would be absolute revolt.

First of all, we are talking about what the Constitution requires at a minimum, not about what is wise or likely. And if the Senate adopted such rules, e.g. because travel is difficult, where is the revolt coming from?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by nononono
Now, peg? grandpa?

Fringe settles most disputes through sex, sometimes with non-combatants. Caveat emptor.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Fringe settles most disputes through sex, sometimes with non-combatants. Caveat emptor.

Oh. Well, both my grandfathers are dead, so enjoy!

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
If that's the problem by extension how do we deal with people who want a partial opt-out? For me I am fine picking up food, shelter and clothes but I want someone else to pick up my unwanted $40K tuition bill. Takers?

There are easy ways to avoid pregnancy and the relative cost is not all that different from a pack of cigarettes or a beer, which most of the bums i see on the street have no trouble affording, so they can't be that cost prohibitive.

No opt out. You buy the ticket, you take the ride. Personal fucking responsibility, remember? You weren't talking out of both sides of your mouth when you were harrumphing about personal responsibility, were you? You don't have any problem with being forced to suffer as equally as the person you knocked up, do you? That would be, well... irresponsible.

You fuck it, you own whatever pops out of it. You can't "give at the office" on this one. Your in whole hog or none at all.

But that doesn't work for you, does it? Kinda scary, ain't it? Now you have an idea what it feels like from the chick's perspective, and why your high moral horseshit rings pretty hollow. Unless you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and accept full responsibility, no woman should have to.

All or nothing, my harrumphing judgmental friend. Which is it?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Adopt them out if you miss the time cut off. I understand there is a quite a market for this.

Less demand if I don't alter my lifestyle. Plus my eggs are kinda old -- there might be a problem or two. Low demand if, say, the kid has Down's.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
There is some measure of irony in the fact that this "pro-personal responsibility" position leads to denying people choices.

Pro-personal responsbility denies everyone choices Ty, come on. I am personally responsible at the penalty of Federal incarceration for paying my Income Taxes, which denies me the choice of keeping all that I earn for myself.

I suppose when we restructure our society to one of utopianistic anarchy we will all have all the choices we want. My first choice will be to implicitly retain and exercise my Second Amendment rights, as needed if the liberal rabble rousers attempt to limit my choices.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Low demand if, say, the kid has Down's.

hey, thats the free market at work. But don't worry. Penske only opted out of the college tuition, so he's still on the hook.

You do have an integration clause in the contract, right? His people will be trying to renegotiate/introduce parol evidence to weasel out.