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[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
If you keep misunderstanding him, there is nothing more I can do for you.

Exactly.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, you've now supplied the context. I suppose that might be helpful in case any highschoolers are hanging out; the context is pretty fucking obvious to anybody who thinks about it for a second.

Apparently not. See SS' post above.

Now, fill in the missing link in your assertion. Explain how what Bush said doesn't mean we can't win the war on terror.

Too many double negatives for me.

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[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I will take a shot at it if you can describe how his plan differs from the way the war is currently being prosecuted. Doing it "better" doesn't give me much to work with.

Are you suggesting that Kerry would, under the plan he laid out, do as well at prosecuting the war in Iraq as Bush? I'm willing to live with that. I think Bush's greater potential for damage lies at home and that's why I'm voting against him. It's you guys who have been playing the "Vote for Kerry and we'll all die" card.

If Kerry will do as well as Bush at prosecuting the war then it seems to me it's time to move on to other topics.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Exactly.

POTD.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Are you suggesting that Kerry would, under the plan he laid out, do as well at prosecuting the war in Iraq as Bush? I'm willing to live with that. I think Bush's greater potential for damage lies at home and that's why I'm voting against him. It's you guys who have been playing the "Vote for Kerry and we'll all die" card.

If Kerry will do as well as Bush at prosecuting the war then it seems to me it's time to move on to other topics.

No. As I understand it, the gist of his plan is that he will do what Bush is already doing, only "better." I don't really know what that means.

And I note that I was very critical of Cheney's statement, so don't pin this one on me.

[SlaveNoMore]

sgtclub
No. As I understand it, the gist of his plan is that he will do what Bush is already doing, only "better." I don't really know what that means.

You forget Kerry's "secret plan" to get more allies on board.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You forget Kerry's "secret plan" to get more allies on board.

Tough to imagine him getting fewer involved.

I don't think Kerry's plan is much of a secret. It's fairly commonsense and can be boiled down to, "Don't piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD by treating them like shit." Seemed to work pretty well in previous administrations (Bush I included).

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Tough to imagine him getting fewer involved.

Well, since he insulted everyone who did get involved, I am not only imagining it, I'm visualizing it.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Well, since he insulted everyone who did get involved, I am not only imagining it, I'm visualizing it.

The Moroccan Monkeys don't count.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Okay, you've now supplied the context. I suppose that might be helpful in case any highschoolers are hanging out; the context is pretty fucking obvious to anybody who thinks about it for a second.

Now, fill in the missing link in your assertion. Explain how what Bush said doesn't mean we can't win the war on terror.

Okay, lets assume it was an intended statement (absurd assumption, but still). He was talking about predictive results, not what he'd do to achieve results.
If Kerry said "I think I can get France to help" then a week later said "I'm not sure I can get France to help" that might be similar to what Bush said. Bush hasn't changed whether he'd try and kill the terrorists, right?

Flip-flopping on what the results might be- okay.
Flip-flopping on how you'll try and achieve the result- bad.

[LessinSF]

"The first part of the question was, how come we haven't found Zarqawi. We're looking for him. He hides. He is -- he is -- he's got a effective weapon, and that is terror." Sep. 23, 2004

Terror is an effective weapon?

"The Prime Minister said something very interesting a while ago, and it's important for the American people to understand. Our strategy is to help the Iraqis help themselves. It's important that we train Iraqi troops. There are nearly 100,000 troops trained. The Afghan national army is a part of the army. By the way, it's the nassy -- Afghan national army that went into Najaf and did the work there." Sep. 23, 2004

The Afghani army subdued Najaf??

"Free societies are hopeful societies. And free societies will be allies against these hateful few who have no conscience, who kill at the whim of a hat." Sep. 17, 2004

"From its birth in the 1630s, the Guard protected the early colonists and helped win the War on Independence." Sep. 14, 2004

Say what?

"Remember Abu Nidal? He killed Leon Klinghoffer. Abu Nidal and his organization was in Iraq. Zarqawi, he's still lingering around. He had an organization. He's got ties to al Qaeda. He's the guy who beheads people to shake our conscience. He was in and out of Baghdad. Saddam Hussein paid the families of suiciders." Sep. 13, 2004

"Suiciders?" Abu Abbas/Abu Nidal - whatever.

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Tough to imagine him getting fewer involved.

Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Costa Rica
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Uzbekistan

Not exactly Hello's "party of one"

I don't think Kerry's plan is much of a secret. It's fairly commonsense and can be boiled down to, "Don't piss off EVERYBODY ELSE in the WHOLE FUCKING WORLD by treating them like shit." Seemed to work pretty well in previous administrations (Bush I included).

Ergo, he refers to steadfast allies such as Australia as the "coalition of the bribed"

Great plan.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Costa Rica
Czech Republic
Denmark
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Georgia
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Japan
Kuwait
Latvia
Lithuania
Macedonia
Marshall Islands
Micronesia
Mongolia
Netherlands
Nicaragua
Palau
Panama
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Rwanda
Singapore
Slovakia
Solomon Islands
Turkey
Uganda
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Uzbekistan

Not exactly Hello's "party of one"



Ergo, he refers to steadfast allies such as Australia as the "coalition of the bribed"

Great plan.

Whew! I thought we were fucked until I saw that Palau and the Solomon Islands we with us.

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
Whew! I thought we were fucked until I saw that Palau and the Solomon Islands we with us.

If you are going to quote Kerry campaign materials, please provide a link.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Afghanistan
Albania
Angola
Australia
Azerbaijan
Bulgaria
Colombia
Costa Rica

2 to what SS said.

And - sadly, Slave -- your list is dated. Rock-ribbed ally Costa Rica had to withdraw from the coalition.

• Costa Rica asked the United States to remove it from a list of Iraq coalition partners Thursday, after the Constitutional Court ruled inclusion on the list violated the country's pacifist principles.
  
  Foreign Minister Roberto Tovar said a diplomatic note had been delivered to the U.S. embassy in San Jose Thursday.
  
  "The court has ordered me to get the country's name off that list, and that's what I'm doing," he said.

Great. We've gone from leader of the free world to being an administrative annoyance!

Well, at least this list of allies wasn't merely bureacratic bullshit. Will CR be removing its massive contingent of troops anytime soon as a result?

Uh, no.

• Tom Casey, a State Department spokesman, said Costa Rica's membership in the coalition was an expression of the country's opposition to terrorism, and noted that Costa Rica provided neither troops nor economic assistance for Iraq's reconstruction.