Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[dtb]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
So, speaking of embarrassing -

How come none of you "holier than thou anti-smoking zealot types" aren't going to take Catherine to task for endangering the life of little Michaela or whatever?

What if l'enfant hacks up a lung?

not7yS

Wait a second -- are you actually taking the position that smoking during pregnancy is not a bad thing?

I think we "holier than thou anti-smoking zealot types" wouldn't bother with taking Catherine (or anyone else) to task b/c it's just so patently obvious that smoking during pregnancy is a "Bad Idea". Anyone who has not gotten the message that smoking during pregnancy is stupid is certainly not going to get any smarter by hearing it from one more person.

Speaking as an anti-smoking type, I really couldn't care less what people do to themselves -- just as long as I don't have to smell it or breathe it.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Ultimately, though, I fear my relationship with my child won't be as satisfying as I've imagined/fantasized.

Well, duh. I assure you it won't be. Note, however, that only a control freak would think this has anything to do with whether it is worthwhile.*

I once heard a speaker whose child was born with Down syndrome. She said the experience was like buying plane tickets to Paris, when you've wanted to see Paris your entire life. Then you find out our your plane landed in Helsinki due to a mix-up by the airline. At first, you're pissed off, because dammit, you paid for tickets to Paris! You have a right to be in Paris! You do everything in your power to get back on a plane, but the flights are all booked, and the airline is totally unfair. So you're stuck in Helsinki. After a while, you realize that Helsinki is a beautiful city, with a rich history and plenty of fine people, good food, and moments to cherish. You find that you'd even recommend Helsinki to friends who wouldn't have dreamed of going there. Sure, Paris would have been great, too, but you're soon showing everybody photos of your vacation to Helsinki.

I'm here to tell you, everybody wants to go to Paris --- who wouldn't? But we all wind up in Helsinki or Edinburgh or Rome or Vilnius or Minsk, and surprisingly few of us are bitching about it. If you're not prepared to surrender that kind of control, parenting is not for you. If you'd sulk in your hotel room, parenting is not for you. If you'd immediately ask the concierge whether Vilnius has any good titty bars, you'll be just fine.

* Note that this post is not directed at anyone who has decided not to have kids. I respect that, and feel no need to persuade you.

[SlaveNoMore]

dtb
Wait a second -- are you actually taking the position that smoking during pregnancy is not a bad thing?

I really could not give a fuck one way or the other since I don't see myself having any brats of my own.

I think we "holier than thou anti-smoking zealot types" wouldn't bother with taking Catherine (or anyone else) to task b/c it's just so patently obvious that smoking during pregnancy is a "Bad Idea". Anyone who has not gotten the message that smoking during pregnancy is stupid is certainly not going to get any smarter by hearing it from one more person.

I find it astounding actually - since i recall a similar debate on the old board where the mommy brigade around here took some poster to task for indulging in a few beers, and her you have a famous woman - a ROLE MODEL - and I hear nary a peep from either Hollywood, the tabloids, or the chattering classes, save in defence of the Zeta-Douglas's for having their privacy invaded.

Speaking as an anti-smoking type, I really couldn't care less what people do to themselves -- just as long as I don't have to smell it or breathe it.

So, I guess you favor this new Anti-smoking facism in NY then?

not7y(where's my fucking Partagas Robusto)S

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch

I once heard a speaker whose child was born with Down syndrome. She said the experience was like buying plane tickets to Paris, when you've wanted to see Paris your entire life. Then you find out our your plane landed in Helsinki due to a mix-up by the airline.

I think having a Down Syndrome baby would be a bit more like Detroit than Helsinki. A great many such babies are very very low functioning -- not like the kid on My Wonderful Life or whatever that show was.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by infinitytrack
I think having a Down Syndrome baby would be a bit more like Detroit than Helsinki. A great many such babies are very very low functioning -- not like the kid on My Wonderful Life or whatever that show was.

That, and society tells you you can't take the return flight. Ever.

Originally posted by taxwonk
There used to be a place called Mama Desta. It was in a strip mall at Richmond and Shepard, Across from the Indian Restaurant and Lil' Pappasito's. There was also a Jamaican night club there. You might not want to go into the Jamaican nightclub. :bang:

Hehe. Jamaica Jamaica? I think that was on Richmond and Kirby...I was once in heavy traffic (way way back when) when it let out and people walked on top of our car. With knives. I kid you not. It was one of the most uncomfortable moments of my life.

-T(We just wanted a House of Pie pie - is that so wrong?
)L

[str8outavannuys]

Actually, Desperado was a remake of a very low budget movie called, I believe, "El Mariachi." They're both very fun. Robert Rodriguez has a nifty style.

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Well, duh. I assure you it won't be. Note, however, that only a control freak would think this has anything to do with whether it is worthwhile.*

Well, duh, I am a control freak. (And, on the off chance you inserted the "duh" to turn me on, I was just playing around with that whole nice guy thing last week.)

And my point was not the kid/relationship might be different from what I imagined and so parenthood would not be worthwhile. Things always turn out differently from what I've imagined, so what the hell? My fear is more general, that parenthood won't provide the overall wow, I'm glad I did this feeling of satisfaction that I have always (until now) expected it would.

I don't know if I'm becoming more self-aware and fully actualized, or just more cynical. Maybe I just need to go to Helsinki and take in the titty bars before I have kids so I'll have interesting stories at my disposal when I'm chatting up the DILFs at the soccer games.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
. . . . when I'm chatting up the DILFs at the soccer games.

Please tell me you mean "dad" and not "daughter."

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by infinitytrack
I think having a Down Syndrome baby would be a bit more like Detroit than Helsinki. A great many such babies are very very low functioning -- not like the kid on My Wonderful Life or whatever that show was.

Actually, one of the Mr.'s relations has Downs Syndrome. She's the most pleasant and highly functioning member of her immediate family, and certainly the only one with any charm. (Granted, her immediate family is a bunch of basket-case toxic waste, but the point holds.) She's not as highly functioning as the kid on My Wonderful Life, but sort of close. However, definitely in that family (i) the mother should really never have reproduced, (ii) having reproduced, she should have drown the "normal" kid in the bathtub.

Not to minimize Downs, but that would scare me less than, say, autism or even a bad case of ADHD. That could be like buying plane tickets to Paris and finding yourself spending the next 20 years (or the rest of your life) in a Thai prison.

BR(actually, bad ADHD may scare me worst of all because, frankly, that shit can fuck up your whole life and your other children's lives, and the ultimate option to protect the rest of your family by sending the kid into permanent institutional care just isn't there)C

[robustpuppy]

Originally posted by evenodds
Please tell me you mean "dad" and not "daughter."

Should I should have written FILFs?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by TexLex
Hehe. Jamaica Jamaica? I think that was on Richmond and Kirby...I was once in heavy traffic (way way back when) when it let out and people walked on top of our car. With knives. I kid you not. It was one of the most uncomfortable moments of my life.

-T(We just wanted a House of Pie pie - is that so wrong?
)L

You're right. It is Richmond and Kirby. And there is NEVER anything wrong about wanting a House of Pies pie.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic actually, bad ADHD may scare me worst of all because, frankly, that shit can fuck up your whole life and your other children's lives, and the ultimate option to protect the rest of your family by sending the kid into permanent institutional care just isn't there

Is too. Think "military school". (I periodically send away for the brochures to these neat places out on the east coast - Shuddup, and places like that - o, sorry, Shattuck - and then leave the brochures laying around. Works wonders on the more voluntary forms of ADHD.)

[tmdiva]

The show with the Downs kid (and Patti Lupone as mom) was called Life Goes On. Don't ask me how I know that--it's not like I ever watched it.

tm

[Jack Manfred]

Originally posted by c2ed
I'm not even sure what some of these are sequels to. Once Upon a Time in Mexico?

Once Upon a Time in Mexico is a sequel to Desperado. You should add it to your list. Antonio Banderas, Salma Hayek, lots of guns, hopefully another scorching love scene. What's not to like?

American Wedding is an attempt by the Weitz brothers to earn enough money so that the one who is currently dating Maggie Gyllenhaal can continue dating her. Did Tara Reid really have something better to do than to work on the third American Pie?