Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[NotFromHere]

apology

This is an apology? “This is a man’s tour,” he said. “There are guys out there trying to make a living. It’s not a ladies’ tour. If she wants to play, she should — or any other woman for that matter — if they want to play the man’s tour, they should qualify and play like everybody else.”
On Sunday, he told Ferguson: “What is she going to prove by playing? It’s ridiculous. She’s the best woman golfer in the world, and I want to emphasize ‘woman.’ We have our tour for men, and they have their tour. She’s taking a spot from someone in the field.”

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
apology

This is an apology? “This is a man’s tour,” he said. “There are guys out there trying to make a living. It’s not a ladies’ tour. If she wants to play, she should — or any other woman for that matter — if they want to play the man’s tour, they should qualify and play like everybody else.”
On Sunday, he told Ferguson: “What is she going to prove by playing? It’s ridiculous. She’s the best woman golfer in the world, and I want to emphasize ‘woman.’ We have our tour for men, and they have their tour. She’s taking a spot from someone in the field.”

If he wasn't one of the better players on the men's tour, I would say that he sounds like he's afraid he might get his ass kicked by her.

Edited to add: Duh -- I guess I should have read the article first. He admitted as much in his half-assed apology.

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Why is that? Does that apply to female circumcision as well?
Someone had to be the first guy to say to himself, hmm, I think I'll put this big ass thing in the hole in my ear and it will look good. And all you people will do the same thing because I think it looks good and you have to do the same thing.

Except female circumcision wasn't started so all the little girls would look like their trendy mommy - started so girls/women would not enjoy sex and thus remain faithful and/or ensure virginity depending upon the type of procedure. I would love to meet the first guy who came up with that idea.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by former gov't
I would love to meet the first guy who came up with that idea.

I'm guessing you REALLY wouldn't

[bilmore]

Originally posted by spookyfish
If he wasn't one of the better players on the men's tour, I would say that he sounds like he's afraid he might get his ass kicked by her.

Edited to add: Duh -- I guess I should have read the article first. He admitted as much in his half-assed apology.

Wasn't she admitted to the tour, not because she qualified in some manner, but because she got a sponsor's exemption (i.e., some sponsor just said "she's in")? His apology said nothing like "she might beat me" - it said, basically, "oh, shit, I shouldn't talk non-PC".

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by bilmore
Wasn't she admitted to the tour, not because she qualified in some manner, but because she got a sponsor's exemption (i.e., some sponsor just said "she's in")? His apology said nothing like "she might beat me" - it said, basically, "oh, shit, I shouldn't talk non-PC".

Yes, but it's curious that Singh hasn't objected to any of the other players who are let in through sponsor's exemptions. Every tour stop has a few (well, most, not the majors), and this is the first time it comes up.

From what I heard of the "apology" on the news, he basically said "I'm sorry that I sounded like I'm anti-Annika. I'm not, I'm anti-women on the men's tour"

One of the other players, responding to Singh's comment that he would refuse to play if paired with her, said "Let's see if he's a man of his word when he's leading on Sunday and gets paired with her."

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by bilmore
Wasn't she admitted to the tour, not because she qualified in some manner, but because she got a sponsor's exemption (i.e., some sponsor just said "she's in")? His apology said nothing like "she might beat me" - it said, basically, "oh, shit, I shouldn't talk non-PC".

I thought he backpedaled by saying I hope that if I miss the cut, she misses the cut, too, because I wouldn't want to be beaten by a woman.

At the risk of sounding like a timmy, she wasn't really admitted to the tour, this is a one shot deal from the sponsor of this event for her to play. She still has to follow the PGA rules, and will have to qualify to play in the final rounds. I haven't seen anything about her getting to hit off the short tees or anything.

I say, why not? She's a pro, meaning she did have to qualify for the LPGA tour, and it's not as if it's going to be a freakshow. She is currently the best player on her tour. It might be interesting to see how she fares among the boys and generate more interest in the LPGA for certain, if she does well, and also the PGA , which is so often viewed as an old boy's network, especially after the Masters brouhaha. Don't tell me you're not curious. As someone with a daughter, I think it's a pretty cool thing.

spookyfish

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Bilmore
Wasn't she admitted to the tour, not because she qualified in some manner, but because she got a sponsor's exemption (i.e., some sponsor just said "she's in")? His apology said nothing like "she might beat me" - it said, basically, "oh, shit, I shouldn't talk non-PC".

Yeah, and that's one of his "issues" is that she didn't "qualify" for the tournament. But, on the other hand, she was given the invite because there was a lot of interest in seeing her compete with the guys because she is better that (x percent - I forgot the actual number) of players on the men's circuit. My point is - if you're going to apologize just say - you know what I said was taken out of context blah blah blah. Don't bury your ass deeper by saying more stupid shit - that's NOT an apology. You don't see Tiger saying stuff like that - he'd say "bring it on."

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
apology

This is an apology?

He shouldn't be apologizing. He's right. If she qualified for the tournament, I would think it was a good thing. But she didn't. She got a sponsor's exemption, not because she is a skilled golfer, but because The Colonial wanted to draw as much attention and sell as many tickets as possible.

Why do women always want to compete with men on this level? They can't. World class women athletes can beat the hell out of most males in whatever sport they're in, but they cannot compete with world class male athletes, period. Someone will bring up Serena. I will say that she couldn't beat any male pro ranked 50 or higher. And here's the key: she's not interested in trying to prove that she can. She is satisfied knowing that she is the best female tennis player in the world. Why isn't that enough?

I actually would like to see Sorenstam do well at The Colonial. But she won't. She will miss the cut. Laura Davies tried to do it at some international event and finished 39 strokes behind Singh.

Sorenstam is an unbelievable golfer -- of the same class as Tiger Woods. She doesn't get the recognition or the cash that he does and that's unfair. I just hope Sorenstam doesn't embarass herself.

TM

[Replaced_Texan]

Disregard

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Someone had to be the first guy to say to himself, hmm, I think I'll put this big ass thing in the hole in my ear and it will look good. And all you people will do the same thing because I think it looks good and you have to do the same thing.

Peer pressure is powerful stuff.

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Why is that? Does that apply to female circumcision as well?

Circumcision, male or female, is a weapon used by the dominant male(s) in society to demean/control the females in that society. I haven't read much on the topic, but what I do recall is that the procedure makes sex (and childbirth) painful for women. There are numerous other health issues as well.

Again, peer pressure is a powerful thing.

As an aside, my parents are appalled that their grandson, my nephew, is not circumcised. They can't believe they raised children who think that the practice is outdated and unnecessary.

[fufu]

Originally posted by bilmore
I don't know that MJ is a good example to show that a black man can be embraced by white America.

MJ is black?

[Atticus Grinch]

After hearing some very poorly thought out arguments in favor of Sorenstam playing ("Let's see if she can beat Tiger!"), I'm starting to think that allowing her to play in the PGA, while perhaps very good for her individually and "fair" in some absolute sense, would have some very deleterious unintended side effects for all other women golfers, and perhaps for women's sports in general.

If she's allowed to play because she's "good enough" to play with the boys, it will reduce the LPGA to a bush league for all the women golfers who aren't "good enough." Those who stay in LPGA-only play will then be thought of as playing Powder Puff Golf, and only women who choose to cross over to PGA play will get any attention, ever. Whether Sorenstam loses miserably or beats the shit out of Tiger, from now on all women golfers will be divided into two categories --- those who played LPGA, and those who were "tested" against men. That's a quite unfortunate development.

LPGA champs will then have an asterisk in the almanacs: "and "Greatest woman golfer --- open division" and "Greatest woman golfer --- LPGA only." This is a little more serious than a King v. Riggs one-off publicity stunt.

I agree it's fair in an absolute sense to allow Sorenstam to play. I don't think there are any checks in place to protect the LPGA from inevitably diminished status, which will only serve to discourage women from golfing professionally.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
He shouldn't be apologizing. He's right. If she qualified for the tournament, I would think it was a good thing. But she didn't. She got a sponsor's exemption, not because she is a skilled golfer, but because The Colonial wanted to draw as much attention and sell as many tickets as possible.

Tiger woods entered his first four tournaments the same way, and basically for the same reason--generating interest. The tour has sponsor's exemptions because the sponsors want to have a way to generate interest in their tournament. Interest means money, which means purses.

She may or may not make the cut. I bet she doesn't finish last. Even if she does, so what? The masters lets all past champions play -- what good does it do to have Arnie shoot 88-93 and finish 30 shots off the cut?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by spookyfish
It might be interesting to see how she fares among the boys and generate more interest in the LPGA for certain, if she does well, and also the PGA , which is so often viewed as an old boy's network, especially after the Masters brouhaha. Don't tell me you're not curious. As someone with a daughter, I think it's a pretty cool thing.

As someone also with a daughter, I see more harm than good. PC aside, basic biologic differences mandate that different sexes have (generally) different strengths. If we are going to merge male and female sports, most females are going to end up eclipsed.