Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[lawyer_princess]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Yeah, pretty damn boring. Faith's "good thing we're hot chicks with superpowers" line almost saved the last bit of one scene, but, on second thought, not. Usually, I can get by all the mushy crap they've been putting in Spike's mouth by focusing on his general hotness, but this time it was so bad I just wanted someone to stick his ass under a sunlamp.

The finale had better kick ass, because, as things stand, Joss Whedon is heading up there in my list of people I will bitchslap if I ever meet them on the street. He's not in spitting distance of my front runner, the "only thing I like better than doing the crossword ..." woman, but he's pissing me off. A lot.

If Whedon pulls the same stunt that Tapert/Raimi did on Xena I may just have to stake him myself.

Re Spike's mushiness, he is clearly reverting to his pre-vampire persona of William the Bloody [Awful Poet]. He was a dork then and he's becoming one now. But a hot dork with a good heart, so it's OK.

I'm confused about the Guardian's comment about the [something] becoming the Watchers. The what? It seemed negative at the time, and the Watchers are supposed to be the good guys, so I don't get it. Someone please 'splain.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by bilmore
No, I think I said that unclearly. I wasn't implying that she's a freak. What I meant was that these golfers (who happen to be guys) who have worked their entire lives to perfect their game, and now make it into the Bigs, the Show, the . . . whatever, now see a situation where the big story isn't going to be their sweet swing, or their years of anguish and training, but this golfer over there in a bra.

No, you were clear the first time. I'm saying that Annika won 13 tournaments last year and their should be some sort of media attention surrounding her. It's entirely unfair that she is making far less $$ than her male counterparts and is getting 0 airtime. I'm betting that most of the people here didn't know her name before today - but certainly know who Anna Kournikova is - now that's a media circus. I maintain that the guys who will be complaining are the guys who are sucking on that day and will surely blame the media "frenzy" for the game sucking.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
If their big break is the Colonial, they haven't mastered golf

Don't blame me. I've never even heard of the Colonial. I just figured if everyone was arguing about it, it must be a big deal.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by spookyfish

It requires strength, skill and coordination.

It also requires a certain degree of endurance,

which does require that you be at least in decent shape.

It's a sport, period.

Sex?

Woohoo, Olympics here I come (cum?).

Could also be childbirth but then men couldn't compete and would be whiny bitches about it.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by purse junkie
It takes great hand-eye coordination and skill, and the attendant amount of brains, but so does chess, and it's not a sport either.

This sub-conversation is pointless. If chess is not a sport, neither is shooting. If shooting is not a sport, neither is archery. If archery is not a sport, neither is bowling. If bowling is not a sport, neither is horseracing. If horseracing is not a sport, neither is the Iditarod. If the Iditarod is not a sport, neither is NASCAR. If NASCAR isn't a sport, neither is the America's Cup. So what?

The only useful distinction that exists is between wholly judged events (such as figure skating and diving) and events with pre-defined objective standards for determining the winner (such as Australian rules football).

In other sporting news, what the fuck is the ACC thinking, voting to include Miami, BC, and Syracuse? Grrrr.

[soup sandwich]

Originally posted by spookyfish
If it wasn't a sport, this argument about relative muscle and strength of men vs. women and whether a woman should play in a PGA event would be totally irrelevant. It requires strength, skill and coordination.

It also requires a certain degree of endurance, because you also are required to walk the course which generally translates into a few miles, on top of all the other stuff you have to do, which does require that you be at least in decent shape.

Why do you think there was such an outcry about Casey Martin and whether he should be allowed to use a cart or not. It's a sport, period.

However, I differ in your assertion that all sports require an attendant amount of brains. If you need an example, look at Mike Tyson, for chrissakes.

I agree with Purse Junkie on this one. I like the theory that a "sport" requires defense, a way to physically prevent your opponent from reaching a goal. Golf is a competitive activity, but it is not sport.

Baseball=sport
Auto racing=sport
Sprinting=competitive activity
Figure skating=competitive activity
Chess=game
Poker=game

Long distance running=a gray area; you can impead your opponents progress, but only a little bit

[evenodds]

By definition, golf is a game not a sport.

Baseball may be a sport depending on your definition of "physical activity."

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Typical argument with Thurgreed:

Thurgreed makes long winded point. Blah, blah, blah.

Counterpoint: Blah, Blah, Blah.

Thurgreed: Makes another point disagreeing with said counterpoint. Blah Blah Blah.

Another Counterpoint.

Thurgreed: You must be a newbie, an idiot, or an assjack.

TM

Well, fucknut, your points are not any better. I'm not saying that she will compete with the elite or win the tournament, but she won't be dead last either. Do you even read the fucking posts before you start namecalling? First of all, you are talking about the best male golfers. Meanwhile, there are a lot of guys on the list that have never won a tournament and likely never will against the likes of Tiger, Love, Els, et.al. So you don't like sponsor's exemptions. When you become commissioner of golf, you can change that. Until then, what is your big problem with her participating in one tournament? How is this any different from Pro-Am's? Maybe if we let her play, but she doesn't take any prize money you won't have a problem with it? Maybe if it were an Open you'd feel better about it. Now, I'm tired of this argument. You can move on to something else now.

P.S. You really need to get some new material already.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThrashersFan
Could also be childbirth but then men couldn't compete and would be whiny bitches about it.

Like a dog boasting that if eagles had to walk everywhere, they'd complain about it.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
In other sporting news, what the fuck is the ACC thinking, voting to include Miami, BC, and Syracuse? Grrrr.

That's an easy one: "show me the [football television] money."

[fufu]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Or his lesser known second cousin, Robert.

Oooops. Thanks, GWNC. :blush:

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
I am all for a good cup of tea, yet I must say that if you have ever played 18 holes in Texas in July you would realize exactly how much energy one can expend playing a round of golf.

I would call it a sport, despite that fact that it is a sport that permits consumption of bloody marys and beer during play. Heck that is the best kind of sport!

n(and a grilled cheese at the turn, please)cs

I hate these "sport or not a sport" debates. So in my opinion, this is a partial definitive list of those sport/games that always get debated. (note, anything that I improve at the drunker I get is not a sport).

Horse Racing - sport
golf - sport
bowling - game (I get better when I'm drunk)
curling - game (ditto, although I fear the wrath of my country)
billiards - game (better when drunk)
synchronized swimming - uncategorizable (again, I fear the wrath of outraged Canadians)
rhythmic gymnastics - some kind of unsightly perversion
figure skating - same
diving - sport

That's all I can think of. If people choose to televise these things and call them sports, that is only because they will make more money off them because you don't make money off games. Except when it's "Games", like the Olympic Games.

[ThrashersFan]

Originally posted by bilmore
Like a dog boasting that if eagles had to walk everywhere, they'd complain about it.

Uh, no. I was simply saying that men would not be happy if there was a sport in which they could not compete even if they wanted to. Fuck it, forget I said it.

Shit

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
FYI, having recently seen Big Frank in a bar, he is anything but fat. In fact, he looks much thinner in person. I would say he is actually at the lower end of body fat range for MLB players...plus he left with 4 (yes FOUR) smoking blondes...

Explaining why he may be at the lower end of the body fat range.

Edited to add. It must be true what they say about TV adding 10-15 lbs. then b/c he looks bigger everytime I see him.

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
In other sporting news, what the fuck is the ACC thinking, voting to include Miami, BC, and Syracuse? Grrrr.

I had to double check and make sure it wsn't April Fool's Day when I read this. Just another example of how college sports are the last bastion of amateur sports. Bah! It's all about the cash. Why do schools keep raising tuition if they are pulling in so many millions for tv rights and post-season appearances? I can't see BC and Syracuse leaving the Big East, weren't they both founding members? Virginia Tech and Miami sure, that at least makes sense geographically.