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[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by taxwonk
My point exactly.

Segrams surprised me the most. I didn't really quibble with the rationale that better gins are best sipped on their own than mixed in a cocktail. I generally feel the same way about premium tequila in margaritas.

But, like I said, I'm willing to repeat the experiment to test the results. In the name of science. I especially want to try that Old Raj and the Junipero.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Segrams surprised me the most. I didn't really quibble with the rationale that better gins are best sipped on their own than mixed in a cocktail. I generally feel the same way about premium tequila in margaritas.

But, like I said, I'm willing to repeat the experiment to test the results. In the name of science. I especially want to try that Old Raj and the Junipero.

I've had the Old Raj. It's a fine gin. On the other hand, I don't think I'd ever want to drink gin neat. I need something to cut the astringency of the aromatics, either vermouth or tonic and lime.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Put this in your pipe and smoke it.

Why no one's brought a mail fraud charge yet I still can't figure out. I guess all the prosecutors figure its best not to piss on the firms they may have to work for if their political careers don;t work out...

There have been a few prosecutions (I remember one from North Carolina a good while back) -- but only in truly gruesome cases.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
We've all done it and those of us still practicing will still do so.

See, that's where you're wrong.

S_A_M

[LessinSF]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I've had the Old Raj. It's a fine gin. On the other hand, I don't think I'd ever want to drink gin neat. I need something to cut the astringency of the aromatics, either vermouth or tonic and lime.

Cucumber. Seriously.

[pony_trekker]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Cucumber. Seriously.

Yes I had some sort of a gin mojito with cucumber and it was deelicious.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by LessinSF
Cucumber. Seriously.

That's one of the ingredients in Hendrick's, my favorite gin.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
See, that's where you're wrong.

Re having done it in the past or continuing to do it?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Re having done it in the past or continuing to do it?

maybe he was just following orders?

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Re having done it in the past or continuing to do it?

I do not double bill, never have and never will.

As for the rest, I try hard to keep my time straight and to get it right. There are incentives to do work that isn't absolutely necessary, especially on big cases where it gets lost in the wash.

There is obviously plenty of corruption. But I do not believe that "everyone does it." You saying that reminds me of Spanky insisting that every man is sexually attracted to 16 year-olds. I don't think that is true either.

S_A_M

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
I do not double bill, never have and never will.

As for the rest, I try hard to keep my time straight and to get it right. There are incentives to do work that isn't absolutely necessary, especially on big cases where it gets lost in the wash.

There is obviously plenty of corruption. But I do not believe that "everyone does it." You saying that reminds me of Spanky insisting that every man is sexually attracted to 16 year-olds. I don't think that is true either.

S_A_M

I didn't say "double bill." I referred to padding, a much different thing, counselor.

Everyone has padded a bill. Everyone. Those who've billed have all found ways to justify it or rationalize that it wasn't padding after the fact. But they've padded, and they know it.

Think about it. Do you really expect me to believe that every week you've done a real true 37.5 - 55 billable hours? That half hour you pissed away bullshitting about your weekend with another lawyer in the middle of a meeting that was supposed to be about a case... You wrote that off? Put it down as admin time or personal time? Those calls from your friends during the day - to keep a note to make sure they're deducted from your time? Those lost 20 minute chunks of time playing on these boards are all removed from your billable time? Come on. Put down the rosary.

That you're here during the week makes your posture kind of, well, amusing. You do realize that.

Nobody's squeaky clean. Some of us are just better at deluding ourselves.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Think about it. Do you really expect me to believe that every week you've done a real true 37.5 - 55 billable hours?

God no. I don't believe it and nor would anyone I work with. But then my mad skillz have allowed me to survive in "BIGLAW" while only very rarely billing 2,000 hours in a year.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
That half hour you pissed away bullshitting about your weekend with another lawyer in the middle of a meeting that was supposed to be about a case... You wrote that off? Put it down as admin time or personal time?

Usually. Probably not always.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Those calls from your friends during the day - to keep a note to make sure they're deducted from your time?

Ah . . . see, you presume I have friends. And you presume they'd call me to bs during work. Projecting again.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Those lost 20 minute chunks of time playing on these boards are all removed from your billable time? Come on. Put down the rosary. That you're here during the week makes your posture kind of, well, amusing.

Again, mostly -- probably not entirely or precisely -- just like said above. I did not intend to make this personal, but you have no idea how I track my time.

I do make notes when I start something and when I move on to something else. A small page of notes each day, entered into the billing system within 2-3 days. Those entries do include little notes like (-.2) or (-.1) for estimates of lost time. There is inevitably some slippage -- even more so than having to track tenths of an hour requires -- and its not a precise system, but it is an honest effort.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Nobody's squeaky clean. Some of us are just better at deluding ourselves.

Never said I was, SD, but I don't buy into your world-view.

S_A_M

P.S. I haven't started billing yet for today.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Never said I was, SD, but I don't buy into your world-view.

It's not my worldview. This isn't a "perception is reality" situation, as the independent evidence cited at the start of this thread and in numerous studies over so many years has proven.

That I'm what you'd call a cynic doesn't make me wrong or undo those facts.

I applaud you for being one of the very, very few exceptions.

[bi-partisanship fairy]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
It's not my worldview. This isn't a "perception is reality" situation, as the independent evidence cited at the start of this thread and in numerous studies over so many years has proven.

That I'm what you'd call a cynic doesn't make me wrong or undo those facts.

I applaud you for being one of the very, very few exceptions.

In the spirit of bi-partisanship, I will note that I once billed in excess of 255 hours/month for 8 months straight. All legit. Too legit, too legit to quit.

[captain marvelous]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
God no. I don't believe it and nor would anyone I work with. But then my mad skillz have allowed me to survive in "BIGLAW" while only very rarely billing 2,000 hours in a year.


Usually. Probably not always.


Ah . . . see, you presume I have friends. And you presume they'd call me to bs during work. Projecting again.


Again, mostly -- probably not entirely or precisely -- just like said above. I did not intend to make this personal, but you have no idea how I track my time.

I do make notes when I start something and when I move on to something else. A small page of notes each day, entered into the billing system within 2-3 days. Those entries do include little notes like (-.2) or (-.1) for estimates of lost time. There is inevitably some slippage -- even more so than having to track tenths of an hour requires -- and its not a precise system, but it is an honest effort.


Never said I was, SD, but I don't buy into your world-view.

S_A_M

P.S. I haven't started billing yet for today.

Obviously, you and I are the only ones with any integrity and ethics here, but I do public interest work for a not-for-profit and billing is not an issue. The rest who have posted on this thread should be disbarred for the fraud they endorse and participate in.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

I see that Sam Brownback does not believe in evolution. Since he is a Catholic, and the Catholic Church recognizes evolution, I like forward to the spate of stories about how he's going to be in trouble with the church for his beliefs. Who's with me?