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Old 05-19-2003, 05:08 PM   #1
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Thanks for the advice. Actually I am interested in "complementary medicine" which is a combinatino of traditional western vet medicine and a more homeopathic approach. For example, I have done some research that indicates that it is potentially unhealthy to vacinate pets once a year, as it stresses the immune system and some of the vacinnes last for several years. But many and most vets just do the annual vaccinatino cuase its a business after all. I want a more centered and mindful approach to vet medicine which takes into account all the western options but also alternative therapies. See Animal Wellness magazine for an idea of what I speak of. I am not at this point looking for a kitty chiropractor or doggie acupunturist.
The Elk-puppy only gets the vacinations that are required by law. For the others we do annual testing. Her diet is all natural, can't bring myself to do BARF (Bones And Raw Food) though she does get lots of human grade snacks.

Check out the following sites for info on a vet in your area:
http://www.theavh.org/members/AVH_list1.htm and www.altvedmed.com. There are lots of books on the subject. I recommend Martin Goldstein's The Nature of Animal Healing.

I've known several people who have used holistic vets and the BARF diet with great success. One friend's dog had parvo as a puppy and couldn't make it through the day/night without an accident. After a few months on a holistic remedy, she was fine. The remedy helped to rebuild her stomach lining.

My trainer's dog was diagnosed with a tumor and given a few days to live. That was over 3 years ago. He (the dog) is alive and well today. The trainer swears it is the diet.

You are what you eat is true even for critters.
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Old 05-19-2003, 05:18 PM   #2
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The Elk-puppy only gets the vacinations that are required by law. For the others we do annual testing. Her diet is all natural, can't bring myself to do BARF (Bones And Raw Food) though she does get lots of human grade snacks.

Check out the following sites for info on a vet in your area:
http://www.theavh.org/members/AVH_list1.htm and www.altvedmed.com. There are lots of books on the subject. I recommend Martin Goldstein's The Nature of Animal Healing.

I've known several people who have used holistic vets and the BARF diet with great success. One friend's dog had parvo as a puppy and couldn't make it through the day/night without an accident. After a few months on a holistic remedy, she was fine. The remedy helped to rebuild her stomach lining.

My trainer's dog was diagnosed with a tumor and given a few days to live. That was over 3 years ago. He (the dog) is alive and well today. The trainer swears it is the diet.

You are what you eat is true even for critters.
Thanks Ann, are you from here? I checked out one of those sites and it linked to the AHVMA or whatever the acronym is and it told me tere are no practicing holistic vets in DC(!). Perhaps like the decent burrito, they will come. Almost makes me want to get a vet degree and start a business bc man that is a lacking area.

I looked into the barf thing and learned that scary things like lungs and livers and kidneys and brains were in there bc thats where all the nutrition is. Given that I am a veggie, I cant do that. But the paigettes eat homemade food with freerange meats and organic veggies. I wandered inot Safeway the other day and walked by the pet aisle and all they have is that purina processed crap that contains carcinogenic preservatives (its an acronym I foget th name of). Given all the filler and preservatives and toxins, it just looked like dog and cat poision more than food. I dont know how people can feed their pets that crap. I guess its called ignorance. Would you give a child a diet of strictly junk food? I guess many americans do.

Anway, I totally believe in the holistic approach with the western medicine to complelment it. One pet had a serious gastrointestinal problem and I gave him acidiphilopluswhatever yogurt and its gone. Regular vet would have recommended expensive drops. TOtal bullshit.

Hopefully somebody knows a good holistic vet that is a secret. but I am notoptimistic.

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Old 05-19-2003, 05:37 PM   #3
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Thanks Ann, are you from here? I checked out one of those sites and it linked to the AHVMA or whatever the acronym is and it told me tere are no practicing holistic vets in DC(!). Perhaps like the decent burrito, they will come. Almost makes me want to get a vet degree and start a business bc man that is a lacking area.

I looked into the barf thing and learned that scary things like lungs and livers and kidneys and brains were in there bc thats where all the nutrition is. Given that I am a veggie, I cant do that. But the paigettes eat homemade food with freerange meats and organic veggies. I wandered inot Safeway the other day and walked by the pet aisle and all they have is that purina processed crap that contains carcinogenic preservatives (its an acronym I foget th name of). Given all the filler and preservatives and toxins, it just looked like dog and cat poision more than food. I dont know how people can feed their pets that crap. I guess its called ignorance. Would you give a child a diet of strictly junk food? I guess many americans do.

Anway, I totally believe in the holistic approach with the western medicine to complelment it. One pet had a serious gastrointestinal problem and I gave him acidiphilopluswhatever yogurt and its gone. Regular vet would have recommended expensive drops. TOtal bullshit.

Hopefully somebody knows a good holistic vet that is a secret. but I am notoptimistic.

thanks for the info.
Nope, I'm from Beantown (I surf a lot). I picked up most of my info from my trainer who was into all this stuff. The easiest kibble to get is California Natural which is available at Petco. Others you can get mail order. Try the smaller more boutiquey pet stores, they usually carry the organic stuff. I'd also recommend subscribing to the Whole Dog Journal (www.wholedogjournal.com). Comes out monthly and they have lots of info and articles. It's a Consumer Reports for pets, so they rank food, toys, beds, leashes, etc.

I thought there were a couple listed in MD, but have no idea how close they would be to DC.

Elk-puppy LOVES yogurt. She gets that a couple times a week. I try to give her the soy based stuff, but sometimes it's hard to get to teh health food coop. Also dried apricots, raw pumpkin, broccoli stalks and nice dirty carrots from the organic coop. I can't go hard-core BARF either, I don't eat organs so neither will Elk-puppy. She's pretty much a veggie, since I rarely eat meat.
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Old 05-19-2003, 07:23 PM   #4
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You might try asking the people at the Bradley Hills Animal Hospital (www.ferretdoctor.com). The guy is a vet, but he's pretty full-service, so he might be able to recommend somebody to you. (The guy's got everything - for example, he's one of the 2% of vets equipped to perform laser surgery rather than the traditional scalpel & stitch method. He also has separate waiting rooms for cats and dogs so that they don't stress each other while they wait.)

It seems to me that there's never anything in DC, but there's almost always what you're looking for somewhere around DC if you look hard enough.

By the way, if you decide to change the vaccination regime, make sure to check DC law first. The place is run by liberals, so I'm sure there are a few dozen regulations about mandatory vaccinations.

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You might try asking the people at the Bradley Hills Animal Hospital (www.ferretdoctor.com). The guy is a vet, but he's pretty full-service, so he might be able to recommend somebody to you. (The guy's got everything - for example, he's one of the 2% of vets equipped to perform laser surgery rather than the traditional scalpel & stitch method. He also has separate waiting rooms for cats and dogs so that they don't stress each other while they wait.)

It seems to me that there's never anything in DC, but there's almost always what you're looking for somewhere around DC if you look hard enough.

By the way, if you decide to change the vaccination regime, make sure to check DC law first. The place is run by liberals, so I'm sure there are a few dozen regulations about mandatory vaccinations.

Lexis (pet refuses anything but kibble) T.
Thanks for the tip. I will have to look into that vet you recommended for when the paipets get into trouble. Hopefully it isnt too far away. I asked Friendship Animal Hospital and my local organic doggie bakery emporium and both referred me to a vet named Monique something in Bethesda. The website Ann Elk posted also referred to her, and she is 50 to 75 percent homeopathic so she might be perfect.

what is it with DC that everything is around DC but not in it? This place is weird.
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I looked into the barf thing and learned that scary things like lungs and livers and kidneys and brains were in there bc thats where all the nutrition is. Given that I am a veggie, I cant do that.
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She's pretty much a veggie, since I rarely eat meat.
I have to say that it's moronic that you won't feed your animals (sufficient amounts of) meat solely because you're vegetarians. I mean, if you're going to go to all this trouble with the holistic approach, at least feed the animals what their bodies are designed for. Meat.

Of course, I just feed my dogs Science Diet Light because it's easy and they seem to like it and are healthy, so don't look at me. I think it has chicken in it.

I also give one dog Creatine. She's going for Bonds's record!
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Old 05-20-2003, 11:08 AM   #7
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I have to say that it's moronic that you won't feed your animals (sufficient amounts of) meat solely because you're vegetarians. I mean, if you're going to go to all this trouble with the holistic approach, at least feed the animals what their bodies are designed for. Meat.

Of course, I just feed my dogs Science Diet Light because it's easy and they seem to like it and are healthy, so don't look at me. I think it has chicken in it.

I also give one dog Creatine. She's going for Bonds's record!
Taking me out of context is bad lawyering counsel. You will note that I also state I feed the paigettes free rnage meat and organic veggies.

Science diet is loaded with filler and has preservatives. Not as toxic as Purina but you could probably keep your dog better noursihed and give him a longer life with Canidae or Solid Gold. I think Science Diet would be the equivlane of living on a diet of Healthy Choice entrees- low fat, has nutrition, but has preservatives and too much filler stuff.
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Taking me out of context is bad lawyering counsel. You will note that I also state I feed the paigettes free rnage meat and organic veggies.

Science diet is loaded with filler and has preservatives. Not as toxic as Purina but you could probably keep your dog better noursihed and give him a longer life with Canidae or Solid Gold. I think Science Diet would be the equivlane of living on a diet of Healthy Choice entrees- low fat, has nutrition, but has preservatives and too much filler stuff.
Actually, I added the parenthetical regarding "sufficient amounts" specifically because you DO give your animals some meat.

If Healthy Choice is good enough for me, Science Diet is good enough for the dogs. After all, they are dogs.
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Old 05-20-2003, 11:32 AM   #9
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I have to say that it's moronic that you won't feed your animals (sufficient amounts of) meat solely because you're vegetarians. I mean, if you're going to go to all this trouble with the holistic approach, at least feed the animals what their bodies are designed for. Meat.

Of course, I just feed my dogs Science Diet Light because it's easy and they seem to like it and are healthy, so don't look at me. I think it has chicken in it.
Elk-puppy gest plenty of meat. Her is kibble made from lamb and rice. To supplement that she gets treats that contain meat (salmon and liver), she gets raw bones, and meat and eggs whenever I have them to share. I use vegetables to supplement her diet. She loves them. It's amusing to see a dog droll in anticipation of a broccoli stalk.

Has your dog ever eaten grass? Or rooted around in the garbage? In addition to hunters, they are also scavengers.

There is an article on vegetarian diets for dogs in the issue of Whole Dog Journal that I got last night. They recommend that before you put your dog on such a diet that you meet with a vet and a nutritionist so you can design the proper diet for the animal.

My dog is very healthy. Everyone (including vets and groomers) remark upon her healthy coat and white teeth.
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Has your dog ever eaten grass? Or rooted around in the garbage? In addition to hunters, they are also scavengers.
Rarely do they eat grass. We don't leave our garbage out in the open, so they don't root around in it, although they sniff at anything that resembles food.

More power to you though. Luckily, my dogs eat about $35 worth of food per day and require about $15 worth of meds (2 dogs aggregate weight of 76lbs). Much, much easier to maintain as well
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Rarely do they eat grass. We don't leave our garbage out in the open, so they don't root around in it, although they sniff at anything that resembles food.

More power to you though. Luckily, my dogs eat about $35 worth of food per day and require about $15 worth of meds (2 dogs aggregate weight of 76lbs). Much, much easier to maintain as well
You could improve the quality and variety of their nutrition by rotating the dogs through 3-4 super premium foods per year. All of the following foods are better than SD (better quality protein source, better other ingredients, no chemical preservatives), easy to find in the DC area (this makes it on topic!), and probably cost the same per feeding:

Nutro (Petco & Petsmart)
Nature's Choice (Petco & Petsmart)
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance (Petco)
Wellness (My Organic Market, Pro Feed in Alexandria, other small shops in DC area)

Switching foods provides greater nutritional variety (as nothing is complete/perfect) and staves off food allergies. Also, a better quality diet will surely improve the dog's overall health in the long term. Just be sure to transition from one food to the next over the course of 5-7 days, by mixing increasing amounts of the new food into the old food.

I wish I had put my older dog and my cat on better diets long ago; as I'm sure some of their health problems that are now controlled through meds and prescription diets could have been, if not prevented completely, delayed in onset. My younger dog has had ear infections and skin problems that have improved by switching the protein source in her diet.
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If you really want to spend your money, you could always take your pets here:

http://www.oldetownepetresort.com/indexf.html
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Old 05-20-2003, 01:40 PM   #13
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If you really want to spend your money, you could always take your pets here:

http://www.oldetownepetresort.com/indexf.html
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If there's anyone out there who can shed some light on Pillsbury Winthrop, I'd appreciate it. I may be interviewing for a position in their litigation group soon (as a non-attorney) and I would like to know about things such QOL, personalities, workload, etc.

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