Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Well as I breathe and live,
I hate to be derivative,
So I'll upgrade my form
From the current old norm,
And hope change is regenerative!

Was this verse thing funny at some point?

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Well as I breathe and live,
I hate to be derivative,
So I'll upgrade my form
From the current old norm,
And hope change is regenerative!

I demand iambic pentameter.

eta . . . . wamater.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Watch to the end.

(work-safe)

[Gattigap]

John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and John Warner join the shrieking, nonsensical Left.

• WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain, decrying new allegations of prisoner abuse in Iraq by U.S. soldiers, on Sunday backed an amendment to force the American military to live up to its international obligations under the Geneva Convention and "not engage in torture" of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  
  McCain (R-Ariz.) was responding to complaints by Army Capt. Ian Fishback and two sergeants, who all served with the 82nd Airborne Division. Their description of routine harsh treatment of captives in Iraq parallels the abuse caught in photographs at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad and was contained in a Human Rights Watch report issued Friday by the advocacy group.
  
  "We've got to have it stopped. It is hurting America's image abroad," McCain said on ABC's "This Week" program.
  
  The senator said his staff on the Armed Services Committee was investigating the allegations. That is in addition to a felony probe at Ft. Bragg, N.C. — home to the 82nd Airborne — by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command and an administrative review by the Army inspector general's office.
  
  "I don't know if these allegations are true," McCain said. "But they have to be investigated. We've got to make it clear to the world that America doesn't do it. It's not about prisoners. It's about us."
  
  Fishback and the sergeants said prisoners taken during the siege of Fallouja were kicked and beaten, their bones broken and skin and eyes doused with chemical irritants. In addition, some prisoners were forced to form human pyramids, and others were made to hold heavy water jugs with their arms outstretched.

LA Times

Oh, Hank. Don't they understand that public investigations of our troops, and laws requiring observance of the Geneva standards, will only embolden our enemies? Why do these Republicans hate America so?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap

Oh, Hank. Don't they understand that public investigations of our troops, and laws requiring observance of the Geneva standards, will only embolden our enemies? Why do these Republicans hate America so?

What have I done to cause you to disrespect me like this?

find one post where I said any of the above, just one. Or apologize for this blantant implicit insult.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Was this verse thing funny at some point?

It's not very funny,
that is quite true,
but the purpose was never
to entertain you.

I set up a challenge
because I was bored.
This does me some small
mental effort afford.

(Small it may be,
but still to my mind,
it's more stimulation
than I often here find.)

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
What have I done to cause you to disrespect me like this?

find one post where I said any of the above, just one. Or apologize for this blantant implicit insult.

Pay attention. Everybody knows you say things like this all the time. Why should anybody go and find a cite for this when it is common knowledge, like who is the third president of the united states. Maybe you are not understanding what I am saying to you.

[Captain]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
do you have cites for ANY of this?

Start with Wayne Cole, Roosevelt & the Isolationists, 1932-45. Lincoln: University of Nebraska Press, 1983; then try Manfred Jonas, Isolationism in America, 1935-1941. Chicago : Imprint Publications, 1990 and Ronald Powaski, Toward an Entangling Alliance: American Isolationism, Internationalism, and Europe, 1901-1950, Greenwood Press, 1991. Jonas is also the editor of the Churchill/Roosevelt correspondence, and much of the debate is over this correspondence. Happy reading.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Gattigap
John McCain, Lindsay Graham, and John Warner join the shrieking, nonsensical Left.

• WASHINGTON — Sen. John McCain, decrying new allegations of prisoner abuse in Iraq by U.S. soldiers, on Sunday backed an amendment to force the American military to live up to its international obligations under the Geneva Convention and "not engage in torture" of detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan.
  
  McCain (R-Ariz.) was responding to complaints by Army Capt. Ian Fishback and two sergeants, who all served with the 82nd Airborne Division. Their description of routine harsh treatment of captives in Iraq parallels the abuse caught in photographs at the Abu Ghraib prison outside Baghdad and was contained in a Human Rights Watch report issued Friday by the advocacy group.
  
  "We've got to have it stopped. It is hurting America's image abroad," McCain said on ABC's "This Week" program.
  
  The senator said his staff on the Armed Services Committee was investigating the allegations. That is in addition to a felony probe at Ft. Bragg, N.C. — home to the 82nd Airborne — by the Army's Criminal Investigation Command and an administrative review by the Army inspector general's office.
  
  "I don't know if these allegations are true," McCain said. "But they have to be investigated. We've got to make it clear to the world that America doesn't do it. It's not about prisoners. It's about us."
  
  Fishback and the sergeants said prisoners taken during the siege of Fallouja were kicked and beaten, their bones broken and skin and eyes doused with chemical irritants. In addition, some prisoners were forced to form human pyramids, and others were made to hold heavy water jugs with their arms outstretched.

LA Times

Oh, Hank. Don't they understand that public investigations of our troops, and laws requiring observance of the Geneva standards, will only embolden our enemies? Why do these Republicans hate America so?

I just wish Mr. McCain had been around when that nefarious Republican Lincoln was riding roughshod over the civil rights of my boys. He treated them like slaves.

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Well as I breathe and live,
I hate to be derivative,
So I'll upgrade my form
From the current old norm,
And hope change is regenerative!

It's good to see the women folk composing verse.

Do you play the piano, too, dear?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
It's not very funny,
that is quite true,
but the purpose was never
to entertain you.

I set up a challenge
because I was bored.
This does me some small
mental effort afford.

(Small it may be,
but still to my mind,
it's more stimulation
than I often here find.)

Cite, please.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski

find one post where I said any of the above, just one. Or apologize for this blantant implicit insult.

From a brief review, I realize that I was misattributing bilmore's perspective on torture to you. I apologize for that.

bilmore's take was that "shit happens" in war, and that anyone's evocation of concern about torture that happens during that war is a whiny piece of shit, a Democrat simply out to get Our Leader, and someone focusing far too much on a couple of guys in Abu G. Fresh evidence suggesting that few of bilmore's precepts may actually be true inspired this post.

Club, for his part, took a slightly different tact in arguing that in certain circumstances, torture was no problem.

Your response, beyond general scorn for those concerned about the issue, seemed to revolve around a couple of points: (1) that yes, let's punish those responsible, but you had severe doubts about anyone over the rank of Sgt. really being found responsible, and (2) torture by American military personnel, while in itself wrong, can OTOH be just fine if the blood is smeared on the walls of Kabul instead of Peoria.

Gattigap

[Southern Patriot]

Originally posted by Gattigap
and (2) torture by American military personnel, while in itself wrong, can OTOH be just fine if the blood is smeared on the walls of Kabul instead of Peoria.

Gattigap

Peoria, however, is precisely where torture so often occurred. Peoria, and Cincinnati, Knoxville, and of course, Atlanta. We in the South fought a civilized war.

But I do believe that the Republican party has reformed itself from the shameful days of Lincoln, and will no longer support the torture of fine upstanding white people.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Gattigap
From a brief review, I realize that I was misattributing bilmore's perspective on torture to you. I apologize for that.

bilmore's take was that "shit happens" in war, and that anyone's evocation of concern about torture that happens during that war is a whiny piece of shit, a Democrat simply out to get Our Leader, and someone focusing far too much on a couple of guys in Abu G. Fresh evidence suggesting that few of bilmore's precepts may actually be true inspired this post.

Club, for his part, took a slightly different tact in arguing that in certain circumstances, torture was no problem.

Your response, beyond general scorn for those concerned about the issue, seemed to revolve around a couple of points: (1) that yes, let's punish those responsible, but you had severe doubts about anyone over the rank of Sgt. really being found responsible, and (2) torture by American military personnel, while in itself wrong, can OTOH be just fine if the blood is smeared on the walls of Kabul instead of Peoria.

Gattigap

Duh. That's all common knowledge.


[psst!] Gatti, you left out the Not Me and Slave analysis -- it's just panties on the head, not torture [/psst!]

[Replaced_Texan]

Pissed off physicians over the FDA's (second) postponement on the decision to make Plan B otc.

I continue to hate this administration.