Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
no fringey- Ty's point was stupid. David Duke didn't sit next to a former President at any Republican convention and he isn't a frequent guest on much that mainstream republican voters watch or listen to. mike is. I'm not saying that you or anyone here blames America for 9/11 but mike did and slave made a fair point. Ty's dodge misses.

if the Dems want to dodge the label they should drop Mike.

Fine. How about Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell?

Partial transcript of comments from the Thursday, September 13, 2001 edition of the '700 Club.'

JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we've been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters - the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats--what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact--if, in fact--God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.

PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that's my feeling. I think we've just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven't even begun to see what they can do to the major population.

JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this.

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, yes.

JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I'll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way--all of them who have tried to secularize America--I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we're responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system.

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/87/story_8770_1.html


edited to add transcript and cite

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
David Duke wasn't given a seat of honor next to a former President at a party convention.

I'm going to stop responding to you for a little while because I'd rather not say something I'll regret later. RT has my proxy.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
2.

If the truth hurt, you guys could stick to it instead of this Reid/Rove crap.

We won. And the gap is growing. Keep telling yourself, Bush is stupid, bush is stupid, the christians right are stupid hicks, its an aberation. Then run Hillary in 08.

Just as I predicted the reunification of Germany in 85, 9-11 in 86, and the fall of the Soviets in 87, I now predict the collapse into full irrelevancy of the DemO party by 2020. Good luck with that, the champagne is on me to toast the light being turned off. The french stuff too!

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
We won.

Which doesn't explain why you act like this instead of acting with class and grace. Nor why you think it's funny or appropriate to suggest that Democrats somehow sympathize with Al Qaeda. When you win an election, you can lead the country, or you can stick it to the losers. Rove's brand of politics is all about creating division, and apparently there are no depths to which he's unwilling to stoop. What Rove did shows that he sees himself as a Republican first and an American second, and the fact that the bunch of you are lining up behind shows just how classy and patriotic you are too.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
David Duke wasn't given a seat of honor next to a former President at a party convention.

Well, 15 of 19 9/11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia...

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I'm going to stop responding to you for a little while because I'd rather not say something I'll regret later. RT has my proxy.

I'm too pissed off at the White House for supporting him to be of much use right now.

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Fine. How about Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell?

yes! G.O! More stupid Christians. The people will flock to the self-proclaimed Smartest Woman in the World to save them from these dumb dumb god loving abortion hating Terri Schiavo loving middle american freeks.

The Smart one will join hands with Jacques Chirac and Zarqawi and they proclaim a new enlightened peace for the World. And together with Larry King and the ghost of Arafat they will retrace Elian's voyage, in reverse, and travel to Cuba and join forces with Fidel. And Jimmy Carter and Michael Moore will be there too and they will storm the gates of Gitmo and free the concentration camp prisoners.

Later they will hang Rumsfeld by his feet. Live on CNN.

Bush will be tried at the Hague.

LOL!

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
We won. And the gap is growing.

Wrong.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Which doesn't explain why you act like this instead of acting with class and grace. Nor why you think it's funny or appropriate to suggest that Democrats somehow sympathize with Al Qaeda. When you win an election, you can lead the country, or you can stick it to the losers. Rove's brand of politics is all about creating division, and apparently there are no depths to which he's unwilling to stoop. What Rove did shows that he sees himself as a Republican first and an American second, and the fact that the bunch of you are lining up behind shows just how classy and patriotic you are too.

Have you checked to see what France and Germany think should be done about the statement?

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Which doesn't explain why you act like this instead of acting with class and grace. Nor why you think it's funny or appropriate to suggest that Democrats somehow sympathize with Al Qaeda. When you win an election, you can lead the country, or you can stick it to the losers. Rove's brand of politics is all about creating division, and apparently there are no depths to which he's unwilling to stoop. What Rove did shows that he sees himself as a Republican first and an American second, and the fact that the bunch of you are lining up behind shows just how classy and patriotic you are too.

I'm a trash talker. You didn't know that?

[Iron Steve]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Wrong.

Yep. Any day now Kerry should be getting sworn in. Keep up the misunderestimation, Jeb will thank you and the 63M voters who keep the Bush Dynasty going strong in 2008!

[Not Bob]

Originally posted by Iron Steve
yes! G.O! More stupid Christians. The people will flock to the self-proclaimed Smartest Woman in the World to save them from these dumb dumb god loving abortion hating Terri Schiavo loving middle american freeks.

Interesting.

The reason I asked about Pat and Jerry was because Slave seemed to think that Michael Moore was relevant to whether Karl Rove was using 9/11 for political gain.

But, go with it. I'm sure we'll see a photoshop clip job with a crying Elian and a gun-toting Hillary ATF agent soon.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Have you checked to see what France and Germany think should be done about the statement?

Have you checked to see how many Democrats opposed the war in Afghanistan?

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Truth hurts.

Fuck Rove, Bush, Giuliani and every other cocksucker who's stood at ground zero and wrapped themselves in the bloody shirt. They're pimps. They're no better than ghouls who were selling knockoff NYPD ballcaps outside Century 21 on the first day the cops let people back down there.

Rove is full of shit and you know it. I wanted to kill someone just as badly as anyone did that day, but it didn't permanently rob me of my ability to think. Let that pasty fuck say that I "wanted to offer therapy and understanding to the attackers" to my card-carrying-member-of-the-ACLU face and I'll scatter his teeth Sebby-style.

How can you of all people not be pissed off about carpet-baggers making hay from dead New Yorkers? You're plenty pissed about Hillary moving in, but Rove can come and tell lies about us and he gets a pass? What the fuck?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Karl Rove uses 9/11 as a wedge:

• Rove, Bush's chief political adviser, said in a speech Wednesday that "liberals saw the savagery of the 9/11 attacks and wanted to prepare indictments and offer therapy and understanding for our attackers." Conservatives, he told the New York state Conservative Party just a few miles north of Ground Zero, "saw the savagery of 9/11 and the attacks and prepared for war."

AP

Isn't his statement generally true? It says "liberals" not Democrats. I think of liberals as the anti-war protester clowns that ravage our fair city from time to time.