Where the Kids Come to Mouth Off

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Please tell me you're posting from the safety of an Atlanta hotel room.

No, but the McMansion looks a little like a fortress at the moment.

Slave Note: Picture removed at the request of the Host Site. The link may have been affecting their bandwith

This is not really my house. In case you needed to know.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by evenodds
The only way to see basketball is live. On tv, they only show ball movement, which is often the least interesting thing happening on the floor.

We get 8th row seats for our "local" NBA team. They bring everything to your seat. The bathroom is like 15 steps away inside the club (where you can watch it on tv if you prefer). The seats are actually comfortable.

During last season's playoffs, I bought tickets for a couple of series. The seats were at half court in the upper deck and it was still better than watching it on tv. (Especially watching the team ignore Kobe on the bench and marveling at how none of the players listened to Phil Jackson during timeouts.)

My old firm had 8th row center court They had bought them when the Pistons really sucked and just hung onto them. 8th is better than 1st because you can see the whole court. Anyway for several years after I quit I was unable to go to the Palace and enjoy a game in whatever seats I could stumble on. Now I have about 25 row on a baseline and they're great. I've learn to accept the limitations.

And live is way better- especially at playoff time. Regular season is so often bored players going through the motions until the last few minutes, but playoffs is war the whole game and off the ball.

And guess the Pistons screwed there fans. My seats for next year got worse- just a little but still. Careful what you wish for.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
How are the Pistols different from the Stones? The words are different. So what. The attitude is different. That's a red herring - we're talking sound, not attitude. The chords are different, but not that much different - both are just guitar driven rock music. "Punk" is a disingenuous definition. It was just a way for bands to say "Zeppelin and Floyd suck." It was good, it was necessary, and now its dead.

Yes, its all just pop music. Some is better than others, but its just pop. That its really good doesn't somehow elevate it to another higher category. Even Visions of Johanna is at its core a pop song. Brilliant, but a pop sing.

I really detest semantics. Its my life. These debates, everything I write at work, everything I argue... its all just a mathematical game of which definition fits. I am almost as depressed by this reality as I am by the fact that ever since I've been on the Atkins and alcohol diet, I have seen things that were not actually there. I'm thinking I may have utilized a fat store containing collegiate LSD deposits. Last evening, I looked to my left while sitting in traffic and was certain I saw a girl walking along the road. i looked back and she wasn't there. I also see my cats at the office from time to time, despite the fact that I bring neither to work. Terribly annoying. I need to understand this phenomenon so that I can arrange it so I see nude women instead of cats and random chicks... but I digress. I hate horns.

I agree with your first paragraph. All guitar-based rock is the same. Rolling Stones. Sex Pistols. Allman Brothers. Circle Jerks. Velvet Underground. Melt Banana. Foreigner. G.G. Allin and the Murder Junkies. All the same. Except, as you note, for the chords and the words and the attitudes. Oh, and also the fact that some grew out of a rhythm and blues history and some completely rejected that and some is played very fast with repetitive aggressive chords while others are based on traditional blues-oriented chord progressions while others adhere to different traditional song structures, and some have an emphasis on improvisation and/or solos while others completely eschew solos, and for some vocal harmonies are key to the song structure whereas for others the vocals may be nothing more than aggressive shouting or even guttural noise. But they are all guitar-based rock and are all the same. I cannot disagree with you on this point.

As to your point that "it is all pop music," I suspect that you and Hank are going to pull your old trick and argue that, implicit in your statement is a limitation that "it" only refers to music that is poppy. But the Boredoms are not pop music. Throbbing Gristle is not pop music. The Dwarves are not pop music. Pop stands for popular. Music that has, to borrow the name of a college radio program I used to listen to, "no commercial potential" is not pop music.

The LSD fat deposit confession is the only thing you have written over the past two days that sheds any light on anything else you have written over the past two days.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I hate horns.

Even Chicago's early stuff?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Even Chicago's early stuff?

25 or 6 to 4 is good because the guitar player fires off a great solo in it.

As to the remainder of their catalogue, crimes against humanity.

[SlaveNoMore]

sebastian_dangerfield
25 or 6 to 4 is good because the guitar player fires off a great solo in it.

As to the remainder of their catalogue, crimes against humanity.

You've become loonier than Whatsherface.

[Alex_de_Large]

Bill Clinton had a heart attack and is to have quadrouple bypass surgery today.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
25 or 6 to 4 is good because the guitar player fires off a great solo in it.

As to the remainder of their catalogue, crimes against humanity.

Bullshit. Ever listen to Saturday in the Park while high on a nice sunny weekend afternoon? I'm starting to doubt your stoner cred.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
I agree with your first paragraph. All guitar-based rock is the same. Rolling Stones. Sex Pistols. Allman Brothers. Circle Jerks. Velvet Underground. Melt Banana. Foreigner. G.G. Allin and the Murder Junkies. All the same. Except, as you note, for the chords and the words and the attitudes. Oh, and also the fact that some grew out of a rhythm and blues history and some completely rejected that and some is played very fast with repetitive aggressive chords while others are based on traditional blues-oriented chord progressions while others adhere to different traditional song structures, and some have an emphasis on improvisation and/or solos while others completely eschew solos, and for some vocal harmonies are key to the song structure whereas for others the vocals may be nothing more than aggressive shouting or even guttural noise. But they are all guitar-based rock and are all the same. I cannot disagree with you on this point.

As to your point that "it is all pop music," I suspect that you and Hank are going to pull your old trick and argue that, implicit in your statement is a limitation that "it" only refers to music that is poppy. But the Boredoms are not pop music. Throbbing Gristle is not pop music. The Dwarves are not pop music. Pop stands for popular. Music that has, to borrow the name of a college radio program I used to listen to, "no commercial potential" is not pop music.

The LSD fat deposit confession is the only thing you have written over the past two days that sheds any light on anything else you have written over the past two days.

Someone somewhere likes it; its popular.

Semantics again. "Pop" to me includes the most underground of the underground music you can find. If its rock-based, its pop as far as I'm concerned. The Velvets are pop, and they never hd any commercial potential in their day. ale Blue Eyes could be sung by Sinatra or Minsitry. Its pop - its fungible. Very good, but still pop. I'm surprised you'd use such a literla meaning of "pop."

I think words like "pop" are fungible. I can pervert their meaning and use them differently from sentence to sentence and day to day. Perhaps this is why I'm frequently chided for using negative terms to mean positive things at the office. Language is boring if used rigidly. I guess the fallout, however, is that many people never know what I'm talking about. Fuck it. I find it boring to be concise, organized, etc... a dull outlook provides a dull day. I might develop my own language like Burgess. See where that gig takes me... probably to the idiot farm. Not the nut farm, the idiot farm.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Bullshit. Ever listen to Saturday in the Park while high on a nice sunny weekend afternoon? I'm starting to doubt your stoner cred.

You just advocated listening to Chicago while baked. Is it necessary for you to give me nightmares? Is that what you want? I'm fragile.

I'd sooner have thumbnails applied to me.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I guess the fallout, however, is that many people never know what I'm talking about.

It's possible that this is an understatement.

[ABBAKiss]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I'd sooner have thumbnails applied to me.

You mean and give you those unsightly crescent marks?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
It's possible that this is an understatement.

Unpossible, woman.

[Cliff Yablonski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
You just advocated listening to Chicago while baked. Is it necessary for you to give me nightmares? Is that what you want? I'm fragile.

I'd sooner have thumbnails applied to me.

You're all fucking full of shit. The music on the radio is fucking awful nowadays. It's just loud crap and a bunch of teenagers yelling. All I listen to anymore are my Frank Sinatra tapes, God rest his soul.

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
{talk about . . . pop music . . . shoo be shoo be do whop}

Meanwhile, my other mancrush, Cecil Adams at The Straight Dope, takes on the perennial diamond issue. Frankly, I think you've got better odds against Sebby than Cecil does against the diamond cartel.

FB flamewars are better streaming over the Internet than they are live or on TV, even though the fans are drunker than the NFL's.