Keeping it civil instead of returning to our dark ways

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Nice reasoned debate:

Summary:
Sebby: blah blah blah, we won;
Me: than why did y'all slink away without answering the questions;
TM: Sorry, just got here, what were we talking about? BTW, Sebby won and shut the fuck up!

Wrong.

Where did I say Sebby won? The only post I have on the subject was in response to Debtslave. I said it was clear what Kerry's position was. I read some of your posts on the subject, but frankly, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. All I've seen you do is (i) say we haven't explained Kerry's position on gay marriage sufficiently, even though I've seen a number of posts that have and (ii) pat yourself on the back for no apparent reason.

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
OK, mr angry guy,
Show any evidence that Kerry has ever provided that would color his use of the word "opposed" for the following situations:

1.) He's opposed to himself marrying a man;
2.) He's opposed to his daughters marrying a woman;
3.) He's opposed to his neighbors marrying within their same sex;
4.) He's opposed to anybody marrying within their same sex.

What? Why? I want to know where he stands in relation to a Constitutional Amendment banning gay marriage. He's against it.

As far as where he stands on gay marriage in general, I disagree with him. But he has said he thinks marriage should be between a man and a woman and that civil unions should address the similar rights that should go to gay people. I think they should be allowed to marry. Either way, his stance is better than that of Bush's.

Why the fuck do I need to answer the questions you are listing above? Why does he need to answer them?

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
Regarding 1-4 above, he would vote, as an individual, to ban one or more such practice at:
1.) The state level;
2.) The federal level.

Regarding 1-4 above, he would vote, as a legislator, to ban one or more such practice at:
1.) The state level;
2.) The federal level.

Point me to any statement he's made that would color an answer to even one of these questions. Yesterday, 15 different posters couldn't, even after saying they understood what he meant by "opposed". Instead, they shut the fuck up.

Maybe it's just me. But, if he says that the federal government should not be making these decisions for the states, what difference does his answer to these questions make? What we want to know is what he will do as President. He has made it clear that he is opposed to gays marrying, but is not against granting them the same or similar rights through civil unions.

You seem to want some clear definition of "opposed" that goes above and beyond what it means in the context of that last sentence. Whatever you want, you haven't made yourself clear about it. And asking the questions you've asked in this post doesn't really help you any.

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
In his usual style, Sebby came back to the battlefield to pick over the corpses of his dead and declare victory. Unfortunately, the only corpses on this battlefield are those of your people. I swear you were here yesterday, so it seems strange that you only joined in when you have nothing to say except the usual D name-calling and shrill insults. Is this what we can expect from the minority party for the next 4 years?

I was here and I posted on the topic, as I said. You probably didn't hear it because you were too busy sucking your own dick, while humming "I'm a jolly good fellow."

TM

[Replaced_Texan]

So how early is too early to start drinking?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

• The tires of at least 30 cars and vans rented by the Republican Party to carry voters to the polls were slashed, Milwaukee police said this morning. The discovery was made at 6:30 a.m., said Sgt. Mark Wroblewski.
  
  The rental cars were parked near a GOP office in the 7100 block of W. Capitol Dr. Wroblewski said "at least" 30 cars were disabled. At least one tire was slashed and in some cases, all four tires were cut. Detectives were on the scene, the sergeant said. Police had no suspects in custody as of 8 a.m.

Spare us, please.

What's your point? I'm not saying Democrats never do bad shit.

In Pennsylvania and Iowa, the GOP was robo-calling people *yesterday* with complaints about Democratic harassment of election monitors. Connect the dots.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Why didn't you just say "Haliburton"?

Because he was mocking your spelling.

Which I am too darn civil to do in response to this post.



S_A_M

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I was here and I posted on the topic, as I said. You probably didn't hear it because you were too busy sucking your own dick, while humming "I'm a jolly good fellow."

TM

You're easy to provoke.

S_A_M

[Not Bob]

One thing I've been wondering about is what happens on the national level to the party of the candidate that loses?

If Bush wins, does Howard Dean or Hillary Clinton become the face of the Democratic Party? Or does Edwards? Wes Clark?

Not Bob's guess -- Howard Dean. The grass-roots of the donkey's various efforts this year have been made up of people brought into the process by groups like MoveOn and ACT. I think that they go with Howard. Hillary is old school to them -- she's the Muskie to his McGovern, if you will (with Kerry lurking as the Humphrey, just to continue the 1968/2004 analogy).

If Kerry wins, whither the Grand Old Party? Jeb Bush has disclaimed a run in 2008, so who does that leave? McCain? Rudy? Dan Quayle? Ah-nold (if he gets that pesky Constitutional thingy fixed)?

Not Bob's take -- this one is tougher. I've said in the past that Rudy is too liberal (pro-choice, not anti-gay, etc.) to win a series of Republican primaries. I still think that's true, but if he runs against Hillary for the Senate in 2006 and wins, he may be viewed as the Holy Dragon Slayer, and the wingnuts might forgive him a bit of aposty for that victory. McCain is reliably conservative on social issues, but I get the impression that the party pros despise him. I don't think that the Constitution is going to get changed, and Kal-ee-fourn-ee-ya may yet descend into financial chaos, so I think that the Terminator is out.

If Bush loses, it is possible that the GOP will have to decide between the social conservatives (what has been called the Southern Wing) and the economic conservative small government types (the Western Wing). (Sebby, the Eastern Wing died of a heart attack while in the reverse cowgirl in New York City in 1979). What will they do? Should make for an interesting primary season in 2007/08. Or will someone -- a (forgive me) Bill Clinton figure -- appear to patch things over? Can Jeb do this, despite his pledge?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Not Bob
the economic conservative small government types

These guys lost the power over their party years ago. And that's a shame.

[Oliver_Wendell_Ramone]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

I was here and I posted on the topic, as I said. You probably didn't hear it because you were too busy sucking your own dick, while humming "I'm a jolly good fellow."

TM

FPPE (funniest politics post ever). Good work.

On another note, is there any "agreement" in place among the major news organizations (the liberal media or the right wing corporate-controlled tools, take your pick) this year as to when and how results will be reported? Are exit polls going to be used before voting closes?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
You're easy to provoke.

S_A_M

You think that was a product of me being provoked?

You're overly smug and clearly know nothing about me.

Oh wait. There I go getting provoked again.

TM

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
He was just using a direct quote from Kos without using the quotes.

How Bidenesque.

S_A_M

(Bidennian just sounded wrong.)

Look for me to be to be heading State soon.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone


On another note, is there any "agreement" in place among the major news organizations (the liberal media or the right wing corporate-controlled tools, take your pick) this year as to when and how results will be reported? Are exit polls going to be used before voting closes?

They've all agreed not to state explicitly what exit polls are saying until the polls are closed in that state. INstead, they'll use winks and nods.

They all have their own data--or at least separate analysts on the data--to predict, rather than using Media Voters Service (or whatever it was called).

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Not Bob
I don't think that the Constitution is going to get changed, and Kal-ee-fourn-ee-ya may yet descend into financial chaos, so I think that the Terminator is out.

Although there's something in that change for everyone:

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You think that was a product of me being provoked?

You're overly smug and clearly know nothing about me.

Oh wait. There I go getting provoked again.

TM

OK, I was wrong, you're just a tool. Am I getting warmer?

BTW -- Zogby has a trailer posted saying to watch Colorado, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Virginia for possible "big surprises."

He now has VA and PA tied, with Colo for Kerry and Fla for Bush.

So 252/252, with 34 EV in a tie.

S_A_M

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall

Why the fuck do I need to answer the questions you are listing above? Why does he need to answer them?

TM

This is like freaking Groundhog Day with you people.

I don't mean to blow you off, but you asked me to concisely ask the question. I suspect you knew you wouldn't be able to answer it, even before you asked me again. So I'm not biting. Of course, I expect someone or other around here will keep screeching instead of answering the questions. What's the point? There is not right answer to the question. You people simply do not know what he meant when he said opposed.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter

I just heard Santorum on John Gambling's radio show. He says the Republicans will be going to court in order to impound the voting machines in Philadelphia that supposedly had votes in them before the polls opened. I assume the Republicans have resigned themselves to losing this election legally so they are going to try and steal it illegally - again.

This is funny. You meant for this to be dada, right?

There you have it folks. Unless Kerry wins in a landslide tonight we are going to be in court for months.

Cause if Bush wins, you all will contest it, no matter?