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		|  08-10-2005, 07:00 PM | #1036 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop We ration care now, using markets.
 |   Yup.  Nonetheless, people seem to think there is a problem with the amount we are spending.  Also, there are a lot of distortions in the market, because this is an area where people don't really, when it comes down to it, like to say no.  Or find it palatable/acceptable to say no.  Especially to old people and sick people (and sick old people).
 
Everyone is unwilling to acknowledge that the only real answer to spending less on health care is to provide less care.  I mean, you can do stuff around the margins, but when it comes down to it, for the real money, you have to provide less healthcare.  
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		|  08-10-2005, 07:03 PM | #1037 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb Showing up buck naked streaked with goose shit couldn't really hurt at this point.
 |  Well, yes, that was kind of my point.  But maybe he has a line on the chicken thing.  I mean, you never know what kind of thing some people are into. |  
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		|  08-10-2005, 07:03 PM | #1038 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb Yup.  Nonetheless, people seem to think there is a problem with the amount we are spending, but are unwilling to acknowledge that the only real answer to spending less is to provide less care.  I mean, you can do stuff around the margins, but when it comes down to it, for the real money, you have to provide less healthcare.
 |  Spending keeps going up, because we keep developing new drugs and treatments to save and extend lives, and because the country is growing older.  I suspect most would be happy if we could just hold spending where it is, but that's not going to happen.
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		|  08-10-2005, 07:05 PM | #1039 |  
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		| Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop Spending keeps going up, because we keep developing new drugs and treatments to save and extend lives, and because the country is growing older.  I suspect most would be happy if we could just hold spending where it is, but that's not going to happen.
 |   Yes, it does, and that is the reason; and no, it's not.  
 
What's your point?  
 
Oh and I edited, if you care to read the revised post, which is basically the same. |  
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		|  08-10-2005, 08:06 PM | #1040 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb 
 
 Everyone is unwilling to acknowledge that the only real answer to spending less on health care is to provide less care.  I mean, you can do stuff around the margins, but when it comes down to it, for the real money, you have to provide less healthcare.
 |  As technology pushes the bounds of care, less is actually more. npi.  why are the liberals so static in their thinking?
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		|  08-10-2005, 08:07 PM | #1041 |  
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		| Originally posted by Penske_Account As technology pushes the bounds of care, less is actually more. npi.  why are the liberals so static in their thinking?
 |   OK honey.  That must be why spending on medical stuff has been declining so precipitously.  My bad. |  
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		|  08-10-2005, 08:11 PM | #1042 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb Showing up buck naked streaked with goose shit couldn't really hurt at this point.
 |  Apropos of nothing, there is an old joke that I can't remember, but the punch line is ". . . buck naked." 
 
I recall that it seemed hysterical at the time, but that is all I remember about it. Anyone know the whole joke? |  
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		|  08-10-2005, 08:13 PM | #1043 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb OK honey.  That must be why spending on medical stuff has been declining so precipitously.  My bad.
 |  Overregulation of pricing by the government has introduced a host of inefficiencies which has contaminated the market.  The government should get out but for the social safety net.
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		|  08-10-2005, 08:14 PM | #1044 |  
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		| Originally posted by Not Bob Apropos of nothing, there is an old joke that I can't remember, but the punch line is ". . . buck naked."
 
 I recall that it seemed hysterical at the time, but that is all I remember about it. Anyone know the whole joke?
 |  What was George Costanza's porno name? 
 
Hahaha. G.O.!
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		|  08-10-2005, 09:03 PM | #1045 |  
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				Hey, Uncle Spanky
			 
 Feed me!
 In consideration, here is historical tale that the deer of your wood have handed down from generation to generation. We think you will like and in return you will give us a salt lick or something.
 
 TODAY'S HISTORY LESSON:
 
 The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundations of modem civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.
 
 Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so our early human ancestors just stayed close to the brewery .That's how villages were formed.
 
 Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the "Conservative movement."
 
 Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, weaving and hair dressing. This was the beginning of "the Liberal movement." Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as 'girleymen'.
 
 Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, class action lawsuits, the invention of group therapy & group hugs and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
 
 Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
 
 Modern liberals like beer with lime added, but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women had higher testosterone levels than their men.  Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, hairdressers, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Also, Liberals invented baseball's designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.
 
 Conservatives drink domestic beer and eat red meat & potatoes. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, self-employed, athletes & generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
 
 Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what to do with the production. They also like to take money away from successful people and give it to the failures. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tame & created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing.
 
 Thus ends today's lesson in world history.
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		|  08-10-2005, 09:37 PM | #1046 |  
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		| Originally posted by Buck Feed me!
 
 In consideration, here is historical tale that the deer of your wood have handed down from generation to generation. We think you will like and in return you will give us a salt lick or something.
 
 TODAY'S HISTORY LESSON:
 
 The two most important events in all of history were the invention of beer and the invention of the wheel. The wheel was invented to get man to the beer. These were the foundations of modem civilization and together were the catalyst for the splitting of humanity into two distinct subgroups: Liberals and Conservatives.
 
 Once beer was discovered, it required grain, and that was the beginning of agriculture. Neither the glass bottle nor aluminum can were invented yet, so our early human ancestors just stayed close to the brewery .That's how villages were formed.
 
 Some men spent their days tracking and killing animals to BBQ at night while they were drinking beer. This was the beginning of what is known as the "Conservative movement."
 
 Other men who were weaker and less skilled at hunting learned to live off the conservatives by showing up for the nightly BBQ's and doing the sewing, weaving and hair dressing. This was the beginning of "the Liberal movement." Some of these liberal men eventually evolved into women. The rest became known as 'girleymen'.
 
 Some noteworthy liberal achievements include the domestication of cats, the trade union, class action lawsuits, the invention of group therapy & group hugs and the concept of democratic voting to decide how to divide the meat and beer that conservatives provided.
 
 Over the years conservatives came to be symbolized by the largest, most powerful land animal on earth, the elephant. Liberals are symbolized by the jackass.
 
 Modern liberals like beer with lime added, but most prefer white wine or imported bottled water. They eat raw fish but like their beef well done. Sushi, tofu and French food are standard liberal fare. Another interesting evolutionary side note: most of their women had higher testosterone levels than their men.  Most social workers, personal injury attorneys, journalists, hairdressers, dreamers in Hollywood and group therapists are liberals. Also, Liberals invented baseball's designated hitter rule because it wasn't "fair" to make the pitcher also bat.
 
 Conservatives drink domestic beer and eat red meat & potatoes. Conservatives are big-game hunters, rodeo cowboys, lumberjacks, construction workers, medical doctors, police officers, corporate executives, soldiers, self-employed, athletes & generally anyone who works productively outside government. Conservatives who own companies hire other conservatives who want to work for a living.
 
 Liberals produce little or nothing. They like to "govern" the producers and decide what to do with the production. They also like to take money away from successful people and give it to the failures. Liberals believe Europeans are more enlightened than Americans. That is why most of the liberals remained in Europe when conservatives were coming to America. They crept in after the Wild West was tame & created a business of trying to get MORE for nothing.
 
 Thus ends today's lesson in world history.
 |  You deer certainly illustrate the benefits of home schooling. Thanks for setting the record straight.
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		|  08-11-2005, 08:21 AM | #1047 |  
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 Heat dashes Palestinian quest for longest sandwich 
 
 Palestinians abandoned a quest to build the world's longest sandwich on Wednesday after health officials told them their 750-meter construction risked rotting in the West Bank summer sun.
 
 Hundreds of volunteers spread a 750-meter bun on tables along a dusty roadside in the West Bank city of Jenin, long a hotspot of Israeli-Palestinian violence.
 
 But the attempt was called off for health reasons before volunteers got a chance to add 180 kg of mortadella meat, 350 kg of tomatoes and 250 kg of green peppers.
 
 Organizers had planned to serve the sandwich to the poor, and said they were aiming to beat a record set in Portugal in 2004 for a 634-meter sandwich.
 
 "We were planning to add the mortadella and stuffing at the last minute to rule out any possibility of rotting," chef Ahmed Nazzal told Reuters. "There must be a conspiracy against us by other competitors."
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		|  08-11-2005, 09:32 AM | #1048 |  
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		| Originally posted by Hank Chinaski Heat dashes Palestinian quest for longest sandwich 
 
 Palestinians abandoned a quest to build the world's longest sandwich on Wednesday after health officials told them their 750-meter construction risked rotting in the West Bank summer sun.
 
 Hundreds of volunteers spread a 750-meter bun on tables along a dusty roadside in the West Bank city of Jenin, long a hotspot of Israeli-Palestinian violence.
 
 But the attempt was called off for health reasons before volunteers got a chance to add 180 kg of mortadella meat, 350 kg of tomatoes and 250 kg of green peppers.
 
 Organizers had planned to serve the sandwich to the poor, and said they were aiming to beat a record set in Portugal in 2004 for a 634-meter sandwich.
 
 "We were planning to add the mortadella and stuffing at the last minute to rule out any possibility of rotting," chef Ahmed Nazzal told Reuters. "There must be a conspiracy against us by other competitors."
 |  Do deer like mortadella?
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		|  08-11-2005, 09:55 AM | #1049 |  
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		| Originally posted by Spanky Instead of torturing us with your pithy comments why don't you just ask NCS out.  All she can say is no.  From my limited experience with here she seems very direct, confident, and therefore, won't lead you along.  You will know right away exactly where you stand.  What have you got to lose?
 |  I thought she liked men, no? |  
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		|  08-11-2005, 11:43 AM | #1050 |  
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		| Originally posted by ltl/fb The answer is rationing care, but that will never receive popular support.
 |  Rationing care on what basis?  It's hard to seriously consider the idea in the abstract.
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