Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Atticus Grinch]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Verbal made up the entire story to perpetuate Soze's legend. He used other characters to make it sound like he was a ruthless, omniscient killer.

I'm obviously a less proficient student of The Usual Suspects than Coltrane is, but I think the brilliance of the plotline is this observation, coupled with the fact that Verbal is forced to change and redirect the narrative in response to things happening outside the room. Palmienteri's character keeps coming in and out of the room with dribs and drabs of outside information, which Soze then weaves into the story. As I said, Soze's name isn't even mentioned until halfway through the movie, at which point Verbal is forced to guess at how much Palmienteri has learned from the survivors of the boat fire, and scramble to explain (1) why the Soze thing is consistent with facts Palmienteri knows from other sources and (2) why he didn't tell the DA about Soze's involvement before getting immunity.

The entire movie is about how Verbal needs to keep spinning the story to get out of the interrogation room at all costs and back into the underworld. It's like "1001 Nights" where Scheherazade is trying to stay alive, but is herself one of the tales.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I'm sorry, I should have said the Stuarts and Tudors had more SCOT than Twit in their bloodlines. That Scot/Scottish thing always gets me. Thanks for correcting it.

No, no, go with Scotch. I like watching various people's heads implode. Don't say it to BritAssoc though; that's unwarrantedly rude, and she's nice.

Where is she, anyway? Hmmmm.

[tax_hottie]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'm not sure how The Simpsons and Dumb and Dumberer get grouped together.

Didn't mean to offend you Simpsons fans out there. It's just one of those shows I can't appreciate. I find it unfunny. I think I hate cartoons.

[evenodds]

This is a very sad case, a missing person/suspected homicide of a basketball player from Baylor. The Smoking Gun has the affidavit the media have been reporting. You can find it here: http://www.thesmokinggun.com/doc_o_day/doc_o_day.html


This is an excerpt from the site: Investigators probing the apparent murder of a Baylor University basketball player have implicated one of the athlete's teammates in his disappearance, according to the below search warrant affidavit. Police in Waco, Texas have fingered Carlton Dotson as a suspect in the disappearance of Patrick Dennehy, who has been missing nearly three weeks. According to informant information quoted in the affidavit, Dotson, a 21-year-old junior forward, killed his friend Dennehy, 21, after the pair argued while shooting guns near Baylor's campus. After Dennehy allegedly pointed a gun at him, Dotson "shot his roommate in the head with a 9mm pistol," according to the police informant, who told cops he learned of the killing from a cousin of Dotson's who said he had spoken with the basketball player about the incident.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
There is no evidence of the whole Redfoot deal, nor (I don't think) any evidence of the death's in Kobayashi's building. In my opinion, the entire California scene was made up. I think there is evidence of the New York "taxi" service, but no evidence that it was pulled off by Verbal and crew. For all we know, after they were released, Soze had them all killed and then blew up the boat himself. Verbal made up the entire story to perpetuate Soze's legend. He used other characters to make it sound like he was a ruthless, omniscient killer.

Also, he made up the story JUST to fuck with Kujon.

Edited to add that I put way too much thought into this movie when I was very stoned in college...

What do you mean there is no evidence of the whole Redfoot deal? Didn't they kill like 6 people? Or are you saying that because there was no cop who ran into the office to interrupt the Verbal interview and confirm the killings that there was no evidence? Surely Verbal wouldn't throw a multiple homicide into his story hoping that Palmenteri(sp?) wouldn't know about it.

And presumably, Soze only came out of hiding to kill the one person who could identify his face. I guess that could be part of the story too, but if Verbal is indeed Soze, then he had to have known that the whole LA police force would know his face. This supports the Kobayashi as Soze theory.

Whatever. It was a cool movie with lots of possible explanations. I think I'll stick with yours (some true, some not) because it sounds the best of the many explanations I've heard and discussed.

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
No, no, go with Scotch. I like watching various people's heads implode. Don't say it to BritAssoc though; that's unwarrantedly rude, and she's nice.

Where is she, anyway? Hmmmm.

But I'd say it is really very clear the Tudors and Stuarts had plenty of scotch in them. At least most days.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
This supports the Kobayashi as Soze theory.

It's been awhile since I've seen it, but doesn't the movie end with Kobayashi calling Verbal "Mr. Soze"???

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
But I'd say it is really very clear the Tudors and Stuarts had plenty of scotch in them. At least most days.

That one Mary person seemed to have a huge stick up her ass. I don't think she drank much. Though, I guess that could help account for the hysterical pregnancies.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
But I'd say it is really very clear the Tudors and Stuarts had plenty of scotch in them. At least most days.

This sounds suspiciously like a Sean Connery pick up line.

There is some discussion on the other Texas board about the incidence of attorneys with breast implants.

I used to work with an attorney whom I believe had implants. (based on the shape of her breasts and on the fact that she "grew" during the period of time I worked with her). She also had stretch marks on the sides of her breasts. I kind of assumed that the stretch marks were from the implants, although she might have had them before.

Are stretch marks a common side effect of having implants "installed?"

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
When I took a few college film studies classes, I was surprised to learn that "Desparately Seeking Susan" was treated as a serious text among feminist film theorists, and even feminist lit crit types. I've never seen it and so can't offer up an opinion about its crap-ness. But apparently it has been read by Important People to contain profound statements about identity and gender.

str8

Give me a break. I *am* a feminist lit crit type, and while I loved the movie, it's primarily because it engendered (no pun intended) a huge crush on Aidan Quinn.

(S P O I L E R)

While it may have been vaguely liberating for Rosanna Arquette to leave her ugly dork husband (though I don't see how, because as I recall she had amnesia at the time so it wasn't even intentional), Madonna's hooking up with him only perpetuated the cool chick/loser guy ultimate antifeminist stereotype.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I'm not sure how The Simpsons and Dumb and Dumberer get grouped together.

I'm not sure why any sort of humor is considered "dumb," particularly humor like Dumb and Dumber or the Simpsons.

I find Tim Allen and Ray Romano as unfunny as hell, but I think that's because I like more sarcastic or edgy humor. The Simpsons has more obscure and funnier references than 30 hours of Dennis Miller. Dumb and Dumber is a perfect laugh out loud flick - its every bit as smart in construction as anything Woody Allen has ever made.

I guess my point is, calling humor "dumb" because you don't get it is a bit heavy handed. Its more appropriate to say, as TH did, that "you just don't get it."

S(there are of course exceptions - some movies are just unfunny, like, say... Van Wilder)D

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by purse junkie

(S P O I L E R)

[about 20-year-old movie]

not to pick on pj, and I certainly wouldn't, but isn't there some sort of limitations for spoilers? If you haven't seen desperately seeking susan by this point in your life, the chances are pretty damn low that you ever will.

And if you haven't watched the monday episode of For Love or Money yet, you really need to fill up that TiVo with better things to watch on a tape-delayed basis.

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall


Whatever. It was a cool movie with lots of possible explanations. I think I'll stick with yours (some true, some not) because it sounds the best of the many explanations I've heard and discussed.

TM

I agree with "whatever". After overanalyzing the shit out of this, I still really don't know what happened...

Maybe I need to be high to think through this clearly...


Edited to add that I am an idiot when I smoke pot. A complete moron. I know a carpenter who smokes before he goes on the job, and it makes him that much more focused. He's brilliant and precise. Nothing can distract him and he's as meticulous as one can be. I've seen him work not high and it's not as good. Being high for him is a natural, enhancing state for him. Not me.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
It's been awhile since I've seen it, but doesn't the movie end with Kobayashi calling Verbal "Mr. Soze"???

Could be. Don't remember, really.

But if that's true, what does it mean? Does it mean that the whole Keyzer Soze legend was made up? Or did he just make up the part where he came out of hiding to kill the guy who saw his face?

TM