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str8outavannuys · 04-07-2003, 04:03 PM

So I watched "The Brak Show" last night. Any fans out there? Anyone seen it? Heard of it?

It's brought to you by the same guys who did "Space Ghost Coast to Coast."

Also, I saw Talk To Her over the weekend. For those of you who haven't seen it, DO SO. It's basically a tried and true formula along the lines of . . .

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Boy A meets Girl A; Boy A falls in love with Girl A; Girl A gets into a car crash and goes into a coma; Boy B meets Girl B; Girl B gets gored by a bull and goes into a coma; Boy A meets Boy B; Girl B dies; Boy A impregnates Girl A while she's in coma; Girl A awakens from coma during childbirth-gone-wrong; Boy A kills himself; Boy B meets Girl A. What's not to like?

str8.

04-07-2003, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by barely_legal
If she was a size ten then, and they are cutting sizes bigger now, wouldn't she be a six or an 8 now?

I think she meant that her size ten in now standards would be a size twelve then. why i followed that makes no sense to me. MM was five five and 135 pounds. of course her weight varied so I dont know if that was her thinner or fatter days.

as for RT's post- I was at lucky recently and was disturbed to learn that a size 29 was the equivalent to a size eigtht. I thought I was a size six. so either Lucky isnt following the make bigger size six trends, or I have become motherjumpin huge without knowing it. I dont weigh myself and use my clothes as a way to measure my fat or thinness. Can soemone confirm that a 29 is an 8 and a 3o is a ten? and (hopefully) that Lucky is not on the make the size bigger program?

ThurgreedMarshall · 04-07-2003, 04:05 PM

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Originally posted by purse junkie
So show me the latest big-studio movie in which a woman her size starred as the leading lady, outside a porn flick? No doubt she would be told to lose 20 pounds--after all, the media was calling Alicia Silverstone a cow and saying her career was over because of it when she was what, a size eight?

Bringing down the house. Queen Latifah is a BIG woman.

And J-Lo ain't exactly tiny. 10 years ago, they would have told her to lose some weight, especially in her ass.

What made Marilyn so amazing was her sex appeal. She would have that now no matter that she is bigger than most female leads. The fact is, there is no one like her. And she would be hot today. She would definitely not be as big a star if she kept the weight on, no question. But admit what you were saying is hyperbole because you're making a fool of yourself.

Thurgreed(and show me one big-studio movie that IS a porn flick, dumbass)Marshall

Tyrone Slothrop · 04-07-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by evenodds
Clothing sizes haven't changed just because most americans are fatter than they used to be. We are significantly taller and more broad.

More and more babies are born by C-section because they're so big. I have seen predictions that C-section will become the rule rather than the exception in (many, but not that many) years because of this trend.

evenodds · 04-07-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
More and more babies are born by C-section because they're so big. I have seen predictions that C-section will become the rule rather than the exception in (many, but not that many) years because of this trend.

Owweeeee.

More immediately irritating, has anyone else noticed the alarming increase in the number of freakishly tall 21 year old men?

It's getting harder and harder to negotiate good viewing space at shows when you have a dozen men well over 6'6" spread throughout the crowd.

dtb · 04-07-2003, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by spookyfish
I googled to see if I could find out vitals. One site stated she is 5'10" and 112. 112 for that frame is scary-thin. I'm doubting it. Judge for yourself.
spooky(she looks just about right to me)fish

Yup, that's the girl I saw -- she might weigh 112 somethings, but it ain't pounds, I can tell you that much. The 5'10" part is accurate, but NO WAY is she 112 pounds. I would estimate 145 at least. She's definitely not a fattie, but she's no waif. (Which is what she would be at 5'10" and 112 pounds.)

purse junkie · 04-07-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Bringing down the house. Queen Latifah is a BIG woman.

And J-Lo ain't exactly tiny. 10 years ago, they would have told her to lose some weight, especially in her ass.

What made Marilyn so amazing was her sex appeal. She would have that now no matter that she is bigger than most female leads. The fact is, there is no one like her. And she would be hot today. She would definitely not be as big a star if she kept the weight on, no question. But admit what you were saying is hyperbole because you're making a fool of yourself.

Thurgreed(and show me one big-studio movie that IS a porn flick, dumbass)Marshall

Okay, that's one. One. And while J-Lo has a bigger butt than the average actress (and she did shrink it significantly after her Selena-era abuse in the press, incidentally), otherwise her waist is pretty small and she's in good shape.

Otherwise, you're completely missing my point, as usual. I think Marilyn was beautiful and sexy; she was almost universally thought to be then; but now with all the pressure on women in Hollywood to be extremely skinny, she absolutely would be told to lose weight, quit, or become a 'character actress.' Feminists have been complaining about this for years.

ThurgreedMarshall · 04-07-2003, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
My mom gave my dad this collection of books and photographs of Marilyn Monroe for Christmas. I'm pretty sure that he'd agree with you.

And look at this fattie: http://www.marilynmonroe.ca/camera/galleries/costumes/

She wouldn't have a shot in Hollywood today.

TM

robustpuppy · 04-07-2003, 04:18 PM

The C-section trend also owes something to rising age at which women have their first babies. Women who have started to see their resiliency and flexibility decline with age, however slightly, are none too keen on overstraining their pelvic muscles and risking the muscles' not recovering to their former state. Incontinence? No thank you, it's ever so kind of you to offer, but I will pass.

On a related note, do you know that bulldogs are bred so large that the puppies must be delivered by c-section? This has been the case for many years. There's just something wrong with that. Breeding ought to improve the overall health of a breed, but too often that is not the case.

Also, a very funny article in today's NY Times about cosmetic enhancement in the pike pond that is the dog show circuit. There is actually a manufacturer of artificial dog testicles called Neuticles. They are meant to improve the appearance of the dog who has lost something to illness.

I shoulda been an entrepeneur.

dtb · 04-07-2003, 04:19 PM

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Originally posted by tmdiva
Mia seems to appear at a different weight in just about every photo, so I think it's possible that you saw her at a thinner weight, dtb.

tm

Nope, I saw Liv. I can tell from the face -- it seemed impossible to me that two people who were not twins could look so amazingly alike, and it turns out they don't!

04-07-2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by evenodds
Owweeeee.

More immediately irritating, has anyone else noticed the alarming increase in the number of freakishly tall 21 year old men?

It's getting harder and harder to negotiate good viewing space at shows when you have a dozen men well over 6'6" spread throughout the crowd.

I wish I could see that trend in late 30's men. I'm 5' 10 in flat feet and like to wear heels (flats just look stupid with skirts) - don't know too many men my age that are over 6'.

Replaced_Texan · 04-07-2003, 04:26 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
And look at this fattie: http://www.marilynmonroe.ca/camera/galleries/costumes/

She wouldn't have a shot in Hollywood today.

TM

A few years ago, I read one of those "science of beauty" books (its on Amazon here if you're in to reading these sorts of books ) that go into why we think certain people are universally beautiful, and they did a comparison of Marilyn Monroe and Audrey Hepburn. These two women are totally different, but they are both considered beautiful. Basically, it came down to hip to waist ratio. They both had hip to waist ratio, somewhere between .8 and .7, and that's most women who are considered "beautiful" have going for them.

spookyfish · 04-07-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by former gov't
I wish I could see that trend in late 30's men. I'm 5' 10 in flat feet and like to wear heels (flats just look stupid with skirts) - don't know too many men my age that are over 6'.

Where do you live, the land of Lilliput? I know of many, many people in their late 30's (I happen to be one of them) who are over 6'. Some of them are even single and, I might add, not gay. (NTTAWWT).

spooky(not gay, not single)fish

evenodds · 04-07-2003, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Basically, it came down to hip to waist ratio.

Please don't encourage him!

Replaced_Texan · 04-07-2003, 04:34 PM

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Originally posted by purse junkie
Okay, that's one. One. And while J-Lo has a bigger butt than the average actress (and she did shrink it significantly after her Selena-era abuse in the press, incidentally), otherwise her waist is pretty small and she's in good shape.

Otherwise, you're completely missing my point, as usual. I think Marilyn was beautiful and sexy; she was almost universally thought to be then; but now with all the pressure on women in Hollywood to be extremely skinny, she absolutely would be told to lose weight, quit, or become a 'character actress.' Feminists have been complaining about this for years.

Ok, I'll bite, here are a few that are bigger, but seem to do fairly OK.

Kate Winslet (told to lose weight for Titanic, but otherwise has done her own thing),
Drew Berrymore (rumor has it she got into the producing so she wouldn't have to deal with studios harping on her about her weight anymore),
Toni Collette (generally indie flicks, but I'd never put her in the waif category, with the possible exception of Velvet Goldmine),
Catherine Zeta-Jones (pre-and post-baby, never was rail thin)