Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Hillary signed some death warrents when she was just first lady (both Arkansas and then the US). so thanks for playing.

And W signed for about 1,800 and counting. And that's just the Americans.

[Miss Crabtree]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Wholely unsubstantiated article on weird indictments in Chicago involving Bush and Justice Stevens.

Oh, my. Mr. Pensky, aren't you a Republican?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
This is a big who gives a shit in the same way that what my-flag-waving-no-english-speaking-penniless-swarthy-immigrant-grandparents-who-came-over-to-Ellis-Island-at-the-turn-of-the-19th-century-and-then-proudly supported-4-of-their-sons-going-to-war-in-the-40s-and-50s-to-defend-freedom-and-the-noble-causes-of-their-adopted-homeland blah blah blah think or feel doesn't make a fucking rat's arse worth of difference to national security policy.

W has made hard decisions in our national defence. We had a referundum on his performance. The hate America crowd lost the referendum. Whether or not W's kids serve in the military is irrelevant to any of it.

See, as I understood it NotBob's argument revolved around your characterizations of Cindy Sheehan as disgracing her son's memory, and his anecdote about moms who actually SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO WAR might have just as much credibility as anyone else to criticize it, might actually have valid points about it, and might not be so swiftly discarded to the liberal nutbin simply because they have the temerity to contradict Our Leader.

Your choice to shit all over NotBob's mom is a strong choice, Penske. But let's have some guts about it and leave the argument where it lies, and not try to hide behind some chickenshit framing of the issue about this really being some irrelevant spat over whether Jenna or Barbara should be wearing camoflauge in Falluja right now.

Tell me again about how Sheehan is really just a liberal tool of the left wing haytas, and how since W won the election and all, they should all go home and shut the fuck up. It warms my heart.

[SlaveNoMore]

Replaced_Texan
Wholely unsubstantiated article on weird indictments in Chicago involving Bush and Justice Stevens.

"One or more of the grand juries have concluded their probe and have voted True Bills, Federal Criminal indictments, against George W. Bush, Richard Cheney, "Scooter" Libby, Condoleeza Rice, and Theodore B. Olson; and several people not previously mentioned in the monopoly press as implicated," wrote Skolnick..."

Rut roh. Looks like me, Penske and Bilmore are finally going down.

Oh well, it's been swell.

Club, take the keys. Sam still gets twenty-five percent of the profits.

See you in 15 years.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
See, as I understood it NotBob's argument revolved around your characterizations of Cindy Sheehan as disgracing her son's memory, and his anecdote about moms who actually SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO WAR might have just as much credibility as anyone else to criticize it, might actually have valid points about it, and might not be so swiftly discarded to the liberal nutbin simply because they have the temerity to contradict Our Leader.

Your choice to shit all over NotBob's mom is a strong choice, Penske. But let's have some guts about it and leave the argument where it lies, and not try to hide behind some chickenshit framing of the issue about this really being some irrelevant spat over whether Jenna or Barbara should be wearing camoflauge in Falluja right now.

Tell me again about how Sheehan is really just a liberal tool of the left wing haytas, and how since W won the election and all, they should all go home and shut the fuck up. It warms my heart.

I don't think WWII is an apt comparison though, because (1) the scale involved was 100 times larger and (2) it was a conscripted war.

Her grief is understandable, but isn't it sheer hubris to expect a face-to-face meeting with the President - especially as she already had one. Note that hundreds of other grieving parents did not have this opportunity.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
And W signed for about 1,800 and counting. And that's just the Americans.

No. Those are Clinton's. Relief pitcher doesn't take blame for runners the starter put on base.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
See, as I understood it NotBob's argument revolved around your characterizations of Cindy Sheehan as disgracing her son's memory, and his anecdote about moms who actually SEND THEIR CHILDREN TO WAR might have just as much credibility as anyone else to criticize it, might actually have valid points about it, and might not be so swiftly discarded to the liberal nutbin simply because they have the temerity to contradict Our Leader.

Your choice to shit all over NotBob's mom is a strong choice, Penske. But let's have some guts about it and leave the argument where it lies, and not try to hide behind some chickenshit framing of the issue about this really being some irrelevant spat over whether Jenna or Barbara should be wearing camoflauge in Falluja right now.

Tell me again about how Sheehan is really just a liberal tool of the left wing haytas, and how since W won the election and all, they should all go home and shut the fuck up. It warms my heart.

1. The emotionally (and in the present case mentally ill) based opinion of one mother (or 900 mothers) of a soldier who made an informed choice to defend his country in a noble effourt against the forces of evil is irrelevant to our national security policy. Assuming it was truly heartfelt it might be interesting as an aside. The blasphemy of it is, she is on Soros' payroll, so she is defiling her son's sacrfice for all of us in the name of partisan shitting on the PoTUS.

2. What NotBob's mom thinks is equally irrelevant to the debate. I know people who think differently, her opinion has now been neutralised.

3. Let me add, that Sheehan is really just a liberal tool of the left wing haytas, and since W won the election and all, they should all go home and shut the fuck up.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I don't think WWII is an apt comparison though, because (1) the scale involved was 100 times larger and (2) it was a conscripted war.

Though size and conscription are both different, this argument doesn't erase the fundamental point that we wouldn't have had to build a new Liberty Ship every two weeks to have avoided some of the boneheaded decisions that this Administration made in performing occupation on the cheap.

Her grief is understandable, but isn't it sheer hubris to expect a face-to-face meeting with the President - especially as she already had one. Note that hundreds of other grieving parents did not have this opportunity.

I understand your point, but the approach of "look, you've already had your 15 minutes" is the reason that the Administration has backed itself into this political corner.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
I don't think WWII is an apt comparison though, because (1) the scale involved was 100 times larger and (2) it was a conscripted war.

Her grief is understandable, but isn't it sheer hubris to expect a face-to-face meeting with the President - especially as she already had one. Note that hundreds of other grieving parents did not have this opportunity.

Although also note many parents have had the opportunity because Bush does care. I think the nicest thing he could do for Sheehan at this point is offer some psychiatric care on Medicaid's dime.

Unless Soros provides health insurance.

Petey, any insight?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap


I understand your point, but the approach of "look, you've already had your 15 minutes" is the reason that the Administration has backed itself into this political corner.

What corner are they painted into by Sheehan?!!? She's lucky that they don't operate like the Clinton administration. She should ask Ron Brown, Mary Caitrin Mahoney or Vince Foster how that would result for her.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Gattigap
I understand your point, but the approach of "look, you've already had your 15 minutes" is the reason that the Administration has backed itself into this political corner.

What political corner? Because one seemingly unstable women and a host of characters on the far left are engaged in an anti-war protest? I don't really get it.

And forget about how you feel about the war. Do you really support a pull out?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
No. Those are Clinton's. Relief pitcher doesn't take blame for runners the starter put on base.

Uh, did you forget about Iraq?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by sgtclub
What political corner? Because one seemingly unstable women and a host of characters on the far left are engaged in an anti-war protest? I don't really get it.

And forget about how you feel about the war. Do you really support a pull out?

I do not, but it would be nice for once to receive a clear and honest description of where we're headed.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Uh, did you forget about Iraq?

Sport, Iraq is a problem the Billster left over. He spent his 8 years working on a plan to hand the next President. Meanwhile due to Reno's no info share rules, Atta was id as al queda in early 2000 but nothing could be done- personal freedoms! Also Saddam was allowe dto kick out inspectors for 6 years.

Ty says bill was really really focused on the terrorism problem which seems to be working out a written plan. Clinton was a bit of an academic guy maybe.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Sport, Iraq is a problem the Billster left over. He spent his 8 years working on a plan to hand the next President. Meanwhile due to Reno's no info share rules, Atta was id as al queda in early 2000 but nothing could be done- personal freedoms! Also Saddam was allowe dto kick out inspectors for 6 years.

Ty says bill was really really focused on the terrorism problem which seems to be working out a written plan. Clinton was a bit of an academic guy maybe.

Oh, that's right. I forget that you guys still think SH had something to do with 9/11. Fucking moron.