Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
1. The emotionally (and in the present case mentally ill) based opinion of one mother (or 900 mothers) of a soldier who made an informed choice to defend his country in a noble effourt against the forces of evil is irrelevant to our national security policy. Assuming it was truly heartfelt it might be interesting as an aside. The blasphemy of it is, she is on Soros' payroll, so she is defiling her son's sacrfice for all of us in the name of partisan shitting on the PoTUS.

The combination of (1) an intellectual argument that national security decisions should be left to the leaders, and (2) suggestions that Americans who disapprove of Administration foreign policy are emotional and mentally ill is an impressive one, Penske.

2. What NotBob's mom thinks is equally irrelevant to the debate. I know people who think differently, her opinion has now been neutralised.

I'm glad. Hey, was your counterweight the IDF guy? Just curious.

3. Let me add, that Sheehan is really just a liberal tool of the left wing haytas, and since W won the election and all, they should all go home and shut the fuck up.

Good effort, but as a tactical matter, this would be better augmented with a photoshopped image of Bush (or Cheney) as Uncle Sam stroking it out, with fleeing moms of dead soldiers somewhere inside the frame. Give it a try! We have faith in your abilities.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
Though size and conscription are both different, this argument doesn't erase the fundamental point that we wouldn't have had to build a new Liberty Ship every two weeks to have avoided some of the boneheaded decisions that this Administration made in performing occupation on the cheap.

I'm not going to argue on the fundamental issue of "inadequate equipment", but the whole "shut down all domestic production and get Rosie the Riveter on the line" is just impracticable.

Where are all the kids gathering scrap metal and rubber for the troops? Oh yeah, on their fat asses listening to 50 Cent and playing Playstation

I understand your point, but the approach of "look, you've already had your 15 minutes" is the reason that the Administration has backed itself into this political corner.

This is a lose, lose, lose. He never meets with parents - he's an ogre. He meets with some parents - he doesn't give them each enough personal time. He meets with Sheehan again* - then every other grieving parent demands their hour and we have a greeting line at the White House. There is nothing good here.

*FWIW, my initial reaction was that he should have immediately invited her in for tea, listened to her qvetch for an hour, and that would be the end of it. But it wouldn't, of course, we'd hear her (or her mouthpieces) crying all over the media that he "didnt care" or "didnt listen" or "rushed her out". And it sets an awful precedent for bullying an audience with the President.

[Shape Shifter]

Dressed in camouflage fatigues, the two boys waited in the woods behind the school until the lunch hour, when one of them ran into the hallway and triggered a fire alarm. As classmates and teachers filed out of the buildings Mitchell Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, opened fire with high-powered rifles stolen from Golden's grandfather. By the time the last shot was fired four girls and an English teacher, who had attempted to shield the children from the barrage, were dead.

What happened in Jonesboro that day in 1998 awakened America to the terror of school shootings and left an indelible mark on the northeast Arkansas town that was yesterday trying to come to terms with the fact that one of the convicted murderers, Johnson, is due to walk free from prison. Golden is scheduled to be freed in 2007.
A now-closed legal loophole means the killers can only be held until their 21st birthdays, and with Johnson's birthday falling yesterday his expected release from a federal penitentiary in Memphis has re-opened old wounds in the town, with many residents questioning whether justice has been served in the case.

It has also drawn a sharp reaction from gun control campaigners, who criticised the fact that because Johnson was convicted as a minor his criminal record will be wiped clean and he will be allowed to buy a gun.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/internatio...547686,00.html

[Miss Crabtree]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Oh, that's right. I forget that you guys still think SH had something to do with 9/11. Fucking moron.

Now, now. Shifty. "Mentally challenged" is the term we use here.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Oh, that's right. I forget that you guys still think SH had something to do with 9/11. Fucking moron.

Clinton's fuck ups went well beyond 9/11. I'm not sure how old you are, but were you following the news in '95-98? Saddam kicked the inspectors out after refusing to let them look at much. Now 6 years later Bush has to confront a situation that should have been defused. You can curse me all you want but the fact remains that Bill Clinton's weakness in Iraq was the root cause for us being there now.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Miss Crabtree
Now, now. Shifty. "Mentally challenged" is the term we use here.

How about "retarded fuck"?

[Miss Crabtree]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
How about "retarded fuck"?

Shifty!

WE don't call them retards. You may call him "one slow fuck".

Hmmm. On the other hand...

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
What political corner? Because one seemingly unstable women and a host of characters on the far left are engaged in an anti-war protest? I don't really get it.

Sheehan's protest may well not materialize into anything larger (and AFAIK, probably won't). But while it's around, the Administration has to put up with more prominent stories of the persistent toll of deaths in Iraq. I think that's making them uncomfortable, and they're struggling with a solution to make the woman go away. That's the "corner" I'm referring to. Politically, they could've and should've heard the woman out, commiserate, then publicly reaffirm steadfastness. Sheehan could've continued to complain, but it would be much harder for her to gain traction with that instead of some perception that Bush is refusing to meet with her.

And forget about how you feel about the war. Do you really support a pull out?

No. What I'm objecting to is the Penske's vilification of people who disagree with the Administration.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Sheehan's protest may well not materialize into anything larger (and AFAIK, probably won't). But while it's around, the Administration has to put up with more prominent stories of the persistent toll of deaths in Iraq. I think that's making them uncomfortable, and they're struggling with a solution to make the woman go away. That's the "corner" I'm referring to. Politically, they could've and should've heard the woman out, commiserate, then publicly reaffirm steadfastness. Sheehan could've continued to complain, but it would be much harder for her to gain traction with that instead of some perception that Bush is refusing to meet with her.



No. What I'm objecting to is the Penske's vilification of people who disagree with the Administration.

I assume that you, open minded thoughtful guy that you are, have seen FarenHYPE 9/11 by now. You realize what Michigan Fats did to twist the emotions of the dead soldiers family on film and how they felt when seeing the movie. Since you've seen that I don't see how you cannot be sicken by Soros twisting another grief stricken mom. Have you no soul?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Do you really support a pull out?

I am fine with pull-outs, rhythm methods or contraceptives. It all comes down to personal responsibility. Something the liberals have an inherent aversion to.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Clinton's fuck ups went well beyond 9/11. I'm not sure how old you are, but were you following the news in '95-98? Saddam kicked the inspectors out after refusing to let them look at much. Now 6 years later Bush has to confront a situation that should have been defused. You can curse me all you want but the fact remains that Bill Clinton's weakness in Iraq was the root cause for us being there now.

If you're starting the game in earlier innings, Hank, why wouldn't it be the elder Bush's decision not to go to Baghdad in 1991?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Gattigap
If you're starting the game in earlier innings, Hank, why wouldn't it be the elder Bush's decision not to go to Baghdad in 1991?

Okay, But that's like not drafting someone we should have. Clinton let the inspectors be kicked out. All the dead so far are his.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I assume that you, open minded thoughtful guy that you are, have seen FarenHYPE 9/11 by now. You realize what Michigan Fats did to twist the emotions of the dead soldiers family on film and how they felt when seeing the movie. Since you've seen that I don't see how you cannot be sicken by Soros twisting another grief stricken mom. Have you no soul?

No, I haven't seen it. Again, I'm not a fan of Moore and don't care for his movies.

I have not heard of news stories regarding Soros supporting and manipulating Sheehan, but I am unsurprised at this tentpole of Republican Orthodoxy being raised. Has FNC published evidence of the wire transfers to Sheehan yet?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
The combination of (1) an intellectual argument that national security decisions should be left to the leaders, and (2) suggestions that Americans who disapprove of Administration foreign policy are emotional and mentally ill is an impressive one, Penske.
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Thanks. One clarification, I am not being gratuitously disparaging of Sheehan. I stand by an objective analysis that if you watch her on the news and observe her affectations and if you have any experience in mental healthcare, the conclusion is inescapable that she is mentally ill.

Originally posted by Gattigap

I'm glad. Hey, was your counterweight the IDF guy? Just curious.

Oddly enough, for my neck of the woods, I can find several W supporters within a stone's throw of my abode, not all of whom are ex-IDF and some of whom have family fighting the good fight in Iraq, but no i wasn't referring to any of them. I was referring to Hoosiers in the heartland who have adult children fighting in Iraq.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Okay, But that's like not drafting someone we should have. Clinton let the inspectors be kicked out. All the dead so far are his.

Right, because as soon as the inspectors were out, SH was able to reinvigorate his nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons capabilities and start all those al-Queda training camps.

Fucking idiot.