Fringey's taut-abbed painter

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Dave
Minnesota situation?*

I saw U of Minnesota basketball last night. Now it has a guy with the Pippi Longstocking thing. I still haven't seen this anywhere but on Minnesota basketball teams.

* In Detroit, this guy would have been shot about eleven times before ever getting to the groin munching

So the fight- the fat black guy in a white shirt hitting Artest from behind? David Wallace- Ben's brother. He's been charged.

Ben Wallace is one of 11 kids, raised by sharecroppers. I think its safe to say Ben's first NBA contract had to be a pretty good day for the family. Does seeing the meal ticket threatened by Artest's cheap shot provide some sort of excuse for David to go after him?
Is there such a thing as financial self-defense?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by Fugee
There are "Dating Standards" in the book (or so Oprah says), the first of which is why RT's friends think it is like The Rules. Most of the rest are so obvious you wouldn't think it would take a book to learn them, but a few make me cringe over past foolishness.

Here they are for your amusement/education:

1. I will not go out with a man who hasn't asked me out first. [Shades of The Rules, but the guy author says that when a guy is into you, he'll ask.

Stupid. Just stupid. Ask us out.

Originally posted by Fugee

3. I will not go out with a man who isn't sure he wants to date me.

Who is sure he wants to date someone before he's been on a date with her?

Originally posted by Fugee
5. I will not go out with a man who drinks or uses drugs to an extent it makes me feel uncomfortable.

Uh oh.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Fugee
There are "Dating Standards" ...

1. I will not go out with a man who hasn't asked me out first. [Shades of The Rules, but the guy author says that when a guy is into you, he'll ask.]

This probably comes from the author being a relatively assertive guy. I know many guys who are mortified to approach a woman they do not already know, and some of them are otherwise great guys.

I think this standard is probably off, but perhaps not by much. Maybe the better standard is that if you ask a guy out, be prepared to take no as an answer. If you have to talk him into it, he's just not that into you.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?

Who is sure he wants to date someone before he's been on a date with her?

I interpretted this to mean "continue to date" rather than go out on a first date.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Are you making breakfast?

Are you sucking it?

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Untrue. Brooke lent me her penis.

Et tu, Stiffler? Et tu?

TM

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Et tu, Stiffler? Et tu?

TM

No. Your description of Brooke, and subsequent comparison/contrast to Pam, was perfect. Brooke is a plastic surgeon's dream result: beautiful w/out looking fake.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

someone should tell her that a chihuahua is so last year:

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Fugee
There are "Dating Standards" in the book (or so Oprah says), the first of which is why RT's friends think it is like The Rules. Most of the rest are so obvious you wouldn't think it would take a book to learn them, but a few make me cringe over past foolishness.

Originally posted by Fugee
1. I will not go out with a man who hasn't asked me out first. [Shades of The Rules, but the guy author says that when a guy is into you, he'll ask.]

This is just stupid. Although some guys are quite good at picking up signals, some aren't. If you reduce your field to guys who ask you out, you deserve to miss out on that really nice shy guy that has all the other characteristics you want.

Originally posted by Fugee
2. I will not go out with a man who keeps me waiting by the phone.

You shouldn't wait by the fucking phone. That's you're fault, not his. I assume this is the old, "I'll call you soon" bit where you define "soon" as over the next 3 days or whatever. Either call him after a reasonable amount of time or shut up. You should be living your life the same way whether someone promises to call or not.

Originally posted by Fugee
3. I will not go out with a man who isn't sure he wants to date me.

Again, stupid. You should not go out with a man thinking that he is going to be your next significant relationship if he isn't sure he wants to date you. But, you can go out and have fun. Fix your expectations based on what you've been told. If you want a serious relationship, don't go out with him.

Originally posted by Fugee
4. I will not go out with a man who makes me feel sexually undesirable. [Duh.]

This one seems obvious. But when it comes to how sexually desirable women feel, they're almost all headcases. Any little thing you say will be blown out of proportion because of the baggage you have in this area. If you're with someone and they've put on a few, it is next to impossible to let that person know that you find them more attractive without the extra pounds because any comment is translated into: "You think I am completely undesirable."

Originally posted by Fugee
5. I will not go out with a man who drinks or uses drugs to an extent it makes me feel uncomfortable.

I don't even know why this is listed as a rule. What's next? I won't go out with a man who forces me to play russian roulette with him on alternate Thursdays?

Originally posted by Fugee
6. I will not be with a man who is afraid to talk about our future.

Are women incapable of being in a casual relationship altogether? I suppose this book is aimed at those women who can't possibly recognize one on their own, but still.

Originally posted by Fugee
7. I will not under any circumstances spend my precious time with a man who has already rejected me.

Ha. This is rich. How many relationships are strong and healthy that start with the woman turning the man down the first dozen times? Perfectly acceptable. If a man does it once, stay away because they are incapable of changing their minds and are planning on hurting you. Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Fugee
8. I will not date a man who is married.

Interesting. Have you?

Originally posted by Fugee
9. I will not be with a man who is not clearly a good, kind, loving person.

This is the funniest load of crap I've ever heard.

TM

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Maybe the better standard is that if you ask a guy out, be prepared to take no as an answer. If you have to talk him into it, he's just not that into you.

I think this is a lesson that needs to be learned by members of both sexes. Taking no for an answer is a lost skill, it seems, in a world where everyone seems to think they have a right to know "why."

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I don't even know why this is listed as a rule. What's next? I won't go out with a man who forces me to play russian roulette with him on alternate Thursdays?

I think this one is listed, appropriately so, because some (a lot of?) women tend to date guys based on who they think the guy could be (with time and proper encouragement), not who he is. Lots of women are little miss fixits, and somebody doing too many drugs is a prime fixit candidate.

This is one reason I think the Rules were probably excellent advice for one hell of a lot of women - it makes them deal with what the guy is doing and saying NOW, not in some fantasy future-world when he has realized he adores you/wants to change/matures/is ready to commit/his divorce is final/whatever.

But when it comes to how sexually desirable women feel, they're almost all headcases.

2.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Taking no for an answer is a lost skill

If the movies and tv have taught us anything (and, unlike the Bible, they have), it's that if you're rejected the first time (and second, and third), keep trying, because eventually she'll say yes, you'll fall madly in love, and live happily ever after.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
There goes the Pantera reunion.

And - just in general - what the fuck?

Your new avatar is disturbingly cuddly.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Truly the apocalypse is upon us. Or, get ready for some melting faces as in Raiders of the Lost Ark:




(left to right: Samuel L Jackson, Hugh Grant and Graham Norton dressed as shepherds, David and Victoria Beckham as Joseph and Mary, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, The Duke of Edinburgh and US President George Bush as the Three Wise Men and Kylie Minogue as the Angel.)

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
I think this is a lesson that needs to be learned by members of both sexes. Taking no for an answer is a lost skill, it seems, in a world where everyone seems to think they have a right to know "why."

2 couples I know still together from college break this "rule."

In one the guy was like a puppy dog in love with this girl. She kept dodging him, turning him down and actually making fun of him behind his back. She finally gave him a chance. He bought her roses and took her to a decent restaurant. The change from her normal date of free beer at a party got her to at least give him a second date. They're still married.

Another guy was the opposite- he's sleeping around on this girl who was completely in love with him. He kept telling her crap like:

"You should be happy doing my laundry and cooking for me. I don't know who you'll end up with, but it will be the kind of guy who'll expect you to do that shit, because you can't stand sensitive guys. Just get used to it."

I though the "I'm just trying to help you learn to be what you'll need to be for some other guy" was pretty cold. She stuck with it and they have been married for years.

Both seem like pretty even relationships now, even though they were quite one-sided for a long while. I don't think you can make rules about how people are with relationships.