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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
B.A. Baracus was also the dumb, violent, areophobic one.

I have no idea if Clinton is violent or fears flying.

I would call you a racist fuck, but this isn't the fb and people might take it wrong.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
(2) Did you ever watch the A-Team? Mr. T didn't always like the decisions the group made, but he often grumbled and went along with them because he knew that he was better off as a part of a team, instead of free-lancing. He always could have ditched the rest of them, but he didn't.

France made this same calculation and realized they were better off free lancing.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
France made this same calculation and realized they were better off free lancing.

That's not really an accurate description of France's relationship with NATO. It's more like they were drawing their inspiration from Jerry Lewis movies.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
(2) Did you ever watch the A-Team? Mr. T didn't always like the decisions the group made, but he often grumbled and went along with them because he knew that he was better off as a part of a team, instead of free-lancing. He always could have ditched the rest of them, but he didn't.

In real life, Mr. T was a Chicago Democrat. That's what they do. That's who they are.

In other news, Dick Cheney is clearly the brains in this operation. He's kicking ass.

[Replaced_Texan]

Compare and contrast

W. Stands for Women

vs.

JohnKerry.com's section on women's issues

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
In other news, Dick Cheney is clearly the brains in this operation.

Comparatively speaking, I cannot agree more.

He's kicking ass.

Whose?

Though I'm only listening on the radio (maybe the TV impression is different), it sounds like they're both throwing pretty hard punches.

[viet_mom]

Originally posted by LessinSF
http://www.wsex.com/frames/main.html - left side, click on "Politics"

It says:

Outcome Spread Money Line
GEORGE W BUSH PICK -170
JOHN F KERRY PICK +140

I know I should know this, but.....I have never bet before (not even sports) so what exactly do the numbers in the Money Line mean in terms of these two candidates and do they at all reflect how many people have placed bets through this forum or any other? And I see you can bet $17 and win 10 if you are right, and the numbers go upwards. In terms of fees charged to bet on the site, what is the lowest amount one should bet? Can one bet on other political or world events? Interesting.

[SlaveNoMore]

Gattigap
Though I'm only listening on the radio (maybe the TV impression is different), it sounds like they're both throwing pretty hard punches.

ABC'S INSTA-POLL says Cheney won by 43-35.

I personally have no idea - I was watching the Yankees hit into 13 double plays and ruin a gem from Mussina.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Talk about rewriting history. This is completely false. For example, our allies, and many democrats, did not want us to deploy missles in Western Europe. We did anyway. Guess who was right?

Any discussion of 50-75 years of history necessarily paints in broad strokes.

I think you're ignoring the fact that, while there were massive protests in Europe and the U.S. against the deployment of U.S medium-range nuclear missiles in Britain and Western Europe -- we deployed them with the permission of the governments involved (UK and Germany, I believe). NATO also OK'd it. The allies who mattered most gave approval -- we did not put nuclear weapons in their countries without goverenmental permission.

S_A_M

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
ABC'S INSTA-POLL says Cheney won by 43-35.

I personally have no idea - I was watching the Yankees hit into 13 double plays and ruin a gem from Mussina.

MSNBC's device just told me Edwards won, 70-30. Both are equally meaningless. There were a few moments to warm the hearts of partisans on either side, but nothing happened that changed anything. Edwards' most important task was to come out swinging hard enough to ensure his political future should Kerry lose this election, and he did that. In other words, he didn't pull a Lieberman.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Say_hello_for_me
In other news, Dick Cheney is clearly the brains in this operation. He's kicking ass.

(a) True. He is also the hammer, and a tough, nasty SOB.

(b) When all is said and done -- Cheney was strong on the foreign policy piece. He said all of the things Bush should have said but didn't, and they had a week to pick the best lines and themes. I'd give him the edge on that first half of the debate.

Edwards showed strong (and, I think better than Cheney) on the domestic policy questions. I'd give him the edge for the second half of the debate. Both were strong in their closing statements --very different topics and themes. Good thing for the Dems that the next debate is on domestic policy issues -- can't count on Bush fucking up so badly again.

I found it interesting how Cheney essentially declined to defend the Adminstration's policy on the gay marriage amendment after his initial two minutes response to the first question. When given his 90 second chance to respond to Edwards' statement, Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words about Cheney's family -- and that was all.

S_A_M

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
MSNBC's device just told me Edwards won, 70-30. Both

MSNBC's device was being bombarded with responses over 4 hours before the debate started - per a direct email campaign from the DNC.

As a matter of fact, the NRO was encouraging people NOT to respond, so the results would look ludicrous.

Note that all 5 MSNBC panelists beg to differ (all 5 panelists picked Cheney "I just heard Steamroller")

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
(a) True. He is also the hammer, and a tough, nasty SOB.

(b) When all is said and done -- Cheney was strong on the foreign policy piece. He said all of the things Bush should have said but didn't, and they had a week to pick the best lines and themes. I'd give him the edge on that first half of the debate.

Edwards showed strong (and, I think better than Cheney) on the domestic policy questions. I'd give him the edge for the second half of the debate. Both were strong in their closing statements --very different topics and themes. Good thing for the Dems that the next debate is on domestic policy issues -- can't count on Bush fucking up so badly again.

I found it interesting how Cheney essentially declined to defend the Adminstration's policy on the gay marriage amendment after his initial two minutes response to the first question. When given his 90 second chance to respond to Edwards' statement, Cheney thanked Edwards for his kind words about Cheney's family -- and that was all.

S_A_M

I'd pretty much agree with this. Simply thanking Edwards for drawing wingnut attention to the fact that he loves his gay daughter was all Cheney could do and not look like a complete hypocrite. I thought it was interesting though that in closing, Edwards sent out a message of hope whereas Cheney focused on fear.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
MSNBC's device was being bombarded with responses over 4 hours before the debate started - per a direct email campaign from the DNC.

As a matter of fact, the NRO was encouraging people NOT to respond, so the results would look ludicrous.

Note that all 5 MSNBC panelists beg to differ (all 5 panelists picked Cheney "I just heard Steamroller")

All of the liberal blogs that I read have direct links to polls across the country.

ETA: So did the e-mail I just got from Joe Lockhart himself.

[Say_hello_for_me]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
MSNBC's device was being bombarded with responses over 4 hours before the debate started - per a direct email campaign from the DNC.

As a matter of fact, the NRO was encouraging people NOT to respond, so the results would look ludicrous.

Note that all 5 MSNBC panelists beg to differ (all 5 panelists picked Cheney "I just heard Steamroller")

Exactly right. Matthew's (Matthews'?) entire tone as a liberal journalist on MSNBC is one of the conciliatory vanquished foe of Cheney. His analogy (or that of one of his guests which he accepted) for the "I never met you" 90 second summary of Edwards' record was of a principal calling a school boy in and saying "you son, will have to go to summer school just to advance to the next grade, and even that's not guaranteed". Which is to say, MSNBC's biased journalist is clearly sounding like he heard what I heard and came away with the same overall impression. MSNBC's viewers clearly were being led by the nose if they came away thinking Edwards won.