Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski


That's not really your question, though. You ask the hypo; "If Delay lied about his father's wishes and pulled the plug to 'off the old coot'- is his behavior in the present case hypocritical?"

Let me extend an olive branch of agreement with your hypo.

I don't know if you even need to introduce lying into the hypo (even though I did). Seems to me that there's not necessarily a justification for deferring to a unanimous family when one won't defer to a split one. Sure, there are probably fewer errors if multiple members of the family agree as to the patient's "wishes", but I'm not sure that the error rate is sufficiently low that we can draw a line between the two.

That said, in the end, neither DeLay nor his family made any extensive efforts to determine dad's wishes, other than a "yeah, that's what he wanted" nod of agreement. They didn't appoint a guardian ad litem; they didn't get a court order; nuthin'. Meanwhile, DeLay says that Schiavo not only has to go to court, he has to fight the question in the state courts, then the federal courts, and then some more in the state courts. The level of treatment for fairly similar situations is too dissimilar to call him a man of principle.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Do I have to google the quote about this being an attack on the Republican majority and on Tom Delay, or do you remember it?

I remember the whole quote, unlike the people here who saw fit to quote selectively. It was far less egregious than presented. Do you remember that whole quote?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
Even if they are already public, it is a bit unseemly to shove one's nose in and use them to score political points, isn't it? As Tom has sowed, so shall he reap.

As long as you're willing to concede that you think he's a shit, and thus any smear that can be found is fair game even though it has nothing to do with the Schiavo case, I'm happy.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
That's a whole lot like what Bill used to say.

S_A_M

He served two terms, and I bet he could have won a third.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by bilmore
More evidence that it'll be Prez Hillary in 2008:

"Half of all pregnancies in the United States are unintended, and nearly half of those are terminated," Clinton said. "Making contraception more accessible and affordable is critical to reducing the number of unintended pregnancies."

Smartest way to appeal to both sides of that particular fight I've seen. Others have certainly tried, but she seems to be saying the right things in a better way.

(Just so there's no question: I don't like her. I just think she's inevitable.)

Obviously you don't understand how the Religious Right thinks. Anything that involves contraception is a non-starter for them.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Alarm originally sounded by bilmore
Amber Alert!

This raid? Turns out there were some initial problems with the reporting.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Spanky
Obviously you don't understand how the Religious Right thinks. Anything that involves contraception is a non-starter for them.

I think our next few elections are going to be determined by the Great Boring Middle, not the Committed Outliers. The Great Boring Middle will be perfectly happy if people use condoms and don't get pregnant and have abortions. It's a win-win.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
I remember the whole quote, unlike the people here who saw fit to quote selectively. It was far less egregious than presented. Do you remember that whole quote?

I remember reading it independently of what was posted here at the time. I don't recall anything he said that in any way undercut the fact that he was trying to make it out in some measure as being about him.

[Replaced_Texan]

"We've been attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of the culture," he said, adding that the school board's declaration is just a first step.

Once upon a time "intelligent, educated" wasn't an insult.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Once upon a time "intelligent, educated" wasn't an insult.

You have to wonder if the person who said that stammered at the end and said " no . . . wait . . . I mean . . . "

One would at least hope so.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by bilmore
You have to wonder if the person who said that stammered at the end and said " no . . . wait . . . I mean . . . "

One would at least hope so.

It was in quotes- like how Adder is "intelligent and educated" and can imagine how evolution could have worked to do it.......

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
It was in quotes- like how Adder is "intelligent and educated" and can imagine how evolution could have worked to do it.......

Well, yeah, that would drastically change the meaning. I wish people would remember that air quotes don't show up in newspaper quotes.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
I remember reading it independently of what was posted here at the time. I don't recall anything he said that in any way undercut the fact that he was trying to make it out in some measure as being about him.

Your new avatar is great, but I'm not sure it suits you. It always makes me anticipate some gonzo drug addled twisted logic- whereas your posts (while often misguided and incorrect) are typically straight forward.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
What I was trying to say is that many of those who are siding with her parents are not acting in bad faith, and that there are things said in the media that might lead someone to reasonably question what her husband has done. In other words, I don't necessarily question the motives of everyone who reaches different conclusions about the case than I have.

DeLay, on the other hand, seems to have been suggesting to political supporters in recent days that she should be kept alive without regard to what she would have wanted, a view inconsistent with how he and his family dealt with his father's situation. I question DeLay's motives. He is a political opportunist.

If everyone approached these questions as bilmore does, the conversation would be a very different one. Where bilmore goes most wrong, IMHO, is in suggesting that Tom DeLay and others are thinking about the case like he is.

If you truly believe, as you say you do, there is reasonable doubt whether Teri would have wanted her tube removed, then it is pretty sad that instead of exploring what that does or should mean in terms of the law (or humanity for that matter) you are on here griping about media treatment of Michael Schiavo and Tom Delay and what percent of him genuinely cares about Teri and what percent is "politically motivated." Bilmore, please concede that Delay is an asshole and that Michael Schiavo is not an evil man. This way, Ty can proceed to address the astonishing injustice happening now to a woman whose wishes were not proven as they were required to be under the law.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
This way, Ty can proceed to address the astonishing injustice happening now to a woman whose wishes were not proven as they were required to be under the law.

I think that the point of the trials was to prove what her wishes would have been as required under the law of the state of Florida.