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Old 08-07-2007, 12:23 PM   #136
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Rush was only made tolerable by an admixture of beer and pot. The Giants tonight were only made tolerable by beer and the hope of seeing 756. It is now the bottom of the 11th and I am home and opting to go to bed rather than watch an extra innings game between the Giants and the Nationals sans Barry.
Rush seems more like an uppers band.

The Crowes sounded lousy on bourbon and weed. The sound mix was awful - came out like a wall of distortion.

The only high points were a crazy "My Morning Song" (the gospel singers make that tune) and "Remedy" which is punctuated by a lot of silences, which made the notes stand out a little bit better.

It's always a shame to have Robinson's great voice drowned out by feedback. And they're a band that NEEDS to do covers (saw them do an amazing "Dreams" for 20 minutes once - they should make that a staple of every live show). They played none.
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:23 PM   #137
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I think "tried as an adult" goes to sentencing more than location. They can be put in a juvenile facility until 18.

The decision of when to try as an adult, I think, is based upon how close to 18 the kid is, and how likely they are to become better people with a few years maturity. Like a 17 year who murders probably should be treated as an adult.

I don't think 13 year old kids are ever tried as an adult. There was a kid that shot another kid in very ugly circumstances. There was background noise about treating him as an adult, but that didn't happen.
13-y-o in St. Louis to be tried as an adult

Kid who was 11 at the time of crime tried as an adult in Detroit suburb
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:26 PM   #138
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dim wit, did you skip the day they taught Shepardizing in law school?

http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/05...A01-259357.htm that was the kid i was thinking about. he was sentenced as a youth.
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I'm saving money to buy a house?

Where ARE you?
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dim wit, did you skip the day they taught Shepardizing in law school

http://www.detnews.com/2005/metro/05...A01-259357.htm that was the kid i was thinking about. he was sentenced as a youth.
Dunderhead, you were the one who said "I don't think 13 year old kids are ever tried as an adult." You should be more specific in your assertions.
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I'm saving money to buy a house?

Where ARE you?
I doubt that. Living in a house would require that you drive more than 5 minutes/day. And think of all that extra vacuuming.


Take the Alcoholics Anonymous quiz

1. Have you ever decided to stop drinking for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?


2. Do you wish people would mind their own business about your drinking -- stop telling you what to do?

3. Have you ever switched from one kind of drink to another in the hope that this would keep you from getting drunk?

4. Do you ever need a drink to get started in the morning, or to stop shaking?


5. Do you envy people who can drink without getting into trouble?


6. Have you had problems connected with drinking during the past year?


7. Has your drinking caused trouble at home?


8. Do you ever try to get “extra” drinks at a party because you do not get enough?


9. Do you tell yourself you can stop drinking any time you want to, even though you keep getting drunk when you don't mean to?


10. Have you missed days of work or school because of drinking?


11. Do you have “blackouts”?


12. Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not drink?

People who answered yes four or more times are probably in trouble with alcohol. If you think you may have a problem with alcohol, see your doctor right away.
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Old 08-07-2007, 12:54 PM   #142
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I doubt that. Living in a house would require that you drive more than 5 minutes/day. And think of all that extra vacuuming.


Take the Alcoholics Anonymous quiz

1. Have you ever decided to stop drinking for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?


2. Do you wish people would mind their own business about your drinking -- stop telling you what to do?

3. Have you ever switched from one kind of drink to another in the hope that this would keep you from getting drunk?

4. Do you ever need a drink to get started in the morning, or to stop shaking?


5. Do you envy people who can drink without getting into trouble?


6. Have you had problems connected with drinking during the past year?


7. Has your drinking caused trouble at home?


8. Do you ever try to get “extra” drinks at a party because you do not get enough?


9. Do you tell yourself you can stop drinking any time you want to, even though you keep getting drunk when you don't mean to?


10. Have you missed days of work or school because of drinking?


11. Do you have “blackouts”?


12. Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not drink?

People who answered yes four or more times are probably in trouble with alcohol. If you think you may have a problem with alcohol, see your doctor right away.
do you think anyone would believe a quiz that might result in your needing to join an organization, when the organization itself wrote the quiz?
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do you think anyone would believe a quiz that might result in your needing to join an organization, when the organization itself wrote the quiz?
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:08 PM   #144
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do you think anyone would believe a quiz that might result in your needing to join an organization, when the organization itself wrote the quiz?
My answer to #6 was "yes," based on my inability to obtain certain zinfandels. Do you think that's what they hand in mind?
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Old 08-07-2007, 01:09 PM   #146
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I think "tried as an adult" goes to sentencing more than location. They can be put in a juvenile facility until 18.

The decision of when to try as an adult, I think, is based upon how close to 18 the kid is, and how likely they are to become better people with a few years maturity. Like a 17 year who murders probably should be treated as an adult.

I don't think 13 year old kids are ever tried as an adult. There was a kid that shot another kid in very ugly circumstances. There was background noise about treating him as an adult, but that didn't happen.
http://www.campaignforyouthjustice.org/facts_laws.html

"National Statistics

In 13 states, youth are automatically tried and sentenced as adults no matter how minor their offense; this kind of policy sends thousands of youth to adult court for non-violent offenses.

23 states have no minimum age for transferring a youth to adult court; in all other states, the minimum age is 10 to 15.

Children of any age can be tried and sentenced as adults in almost two dozen states.

Youth tried in adult criminal court are at greater risk of assault and death in adult jails and prisons with adult inmates, will receive an adult record, may never have access to student financial aid, and will lose their voting rights in many states.

Every year, as many as 200,000 youth under 18 are prosecuted in adult criminal courts across the United States, despite overwhelming research demonstrating that these policies have failed.

Justice Department research shows that youth incarcerated with adults are eight times more likely to commit suicide than in juvenile facilities.

Youth do not receive rehabilitation or treatment in the adult criminal justice system.

The practice of trying youth as adults does not promote public safety or reduce crime. Youth are more likely to re-offend when they are tried and incarcerated in the adult justice system.

National studies show that youth of color are treated more harshly than are white youth even when charged with similar offenses.

New research on brain development shows that youth do not have all the same capacities as adults and should be treated differently.

Human Rights Watch reported in 2005 that an estimated 2,225 youth under 18 were serving life without parole.

Despite the fact that juvenile crime is at a 30-year low and that youth crime constitutes only a small portion of a community’s public safety challenge, much of the public believes that young people are driving violent crime.

The overwhelming majority of children who enter the adult court are not there for serious, violent crimes.

In Connecticut, 96% of the 16- and 17-year-olds arrested are arrested for non-violent offenses, but Connecticut law makes trying them as adults mandatory.

On any given day, more than 7,000 children are in adult jails.

The number of youth placed in adult jails has increased by 208% since 1990.

The decision to send children to adult court is most likely not made by a juvenile court judge, who would be a neutral player in the best position to determine the merits of the child’s case.

Youth often are not provided with adequate counsel, which denies them a constitutional right that otherwise could help them stay out of the adult system."

I guess the fundamental question is, why are there separate laws at all? If we have two sets of laws, one for children and one for adults, shouldn't we apply the laws we have for children to children? Why would we change the definition of who is or isn't to be considered a child based on their crime? It makes no sense to me.

Here's an Associated Press piece on the issue:

http://www.vachss.com/help_text/arch...e_raising.html

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I think we both said no to the first part of #1, which isn't really the "good" answer.
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I doubt that. Living in a house would require that you drive more than 5 minutes/day. And think of all that extra vacuuming.


Take the Alcoholics Anonymous quiz

1. Have you ever decided to stop drinking for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?

No. I never try to stop for a week; what's the point in that? I decide to give up altogether, and then give up after a couple of days.

2. Do you wish people would mind their own business about your drinking -- stop telling you what to do?

No. My friends and I love to hang out talking about drinking, and if anyone tells me things I don't want to hear, another drink and I CAN'T HEAR THEM.

3. Have you ever switched from one kind of drink to another in the hope that this would keep you from getting drunk?

No. Why wouldn't I want to get drunk?

4. Do you ever need a drink to get started in the morning, or to stop shaking?

No. Getting started in the morning implies you finished the night before.


5. Do you envy people who can drink without getting into trouble?

No. What's the fun in that?

6. Have you had problems connected with drinking during the past year?

Not that I've noticed.

7. Has your drinking caused trouble at home?

Home?

8. Do you ever try to get “extra” drinks at a party because you do not get enough?

No. Always carry some with you, so you don't have to worry about this.

9. Do you tell yourself you can stop drinking any time you want to, even though you keep getting drunk when you don't mean to?

No, why lie to myself?

10. Have you missed days of work or school because of drinking?

Not that I remember.

11. Do you have “blackouts”?

Wait, maybe this was the "not that I remember" answer.

12. Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not drink?

No way. I've been sober. It's not all it's cracked up to be.

People who answered yes four or more times are probably in trouble with alcohol. If you think you may have a problem with alcohol, see your doctor right away.


Based on the above, I've concluded AA is only looking for dishonest alcholics. We're all safe.
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I think we both said no to the first part of #1, which isn't really the "good" answer.
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I doubt that. Living in a house would require that you drive more than 5 minutes/day. And think of all that extra vacuuming.


Take the Alcoholics Anonymous quiz

1. Have you ever decided to stop drinking for a week or so, but only lasted for a couple of days?


2. Do you wish people would mind their own business about your drinking -- stop telling you what to do?

3. Have you ever switched from one kind of drink to another in the hope that this would keep you from getting drunk?

4. Do you ever need a drink to get started in the morning, or to stop shaking?


5. Do you envy people who can drink without getting into trouble?


6. Have you had problems connected with drinking during the past year?


7. Has your drinking caused trouble at home?


8. Do you ever try to get “extra” drinks at a party because you do not get enough?


9. Do you tell yourself you can stop drinking any time you want to, even though you keep getting drunk when you don't mean to?


10. Have you missed days of work or school because of drinking?


11. Do you have “blackouts”?


12. Have you ever felt that your life would be better if you did not drink?

People who answered yes four or more times are probably in trouble with alcohol. If you think you may have a problem with alcohol, see your doctor right away.
I had a glass of wine last night. And no hangover! For the first time in about 6 months. I am slowly getting back into the groove.
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