Patting the wrists, rolling the eyes.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
If you truly believe, as you say you do, there is reasonable doubt whether Teri would have wanted her tube removed, then it is pretty sad that instead of exploring what that does or should mean in terms of the law (or humanity for that matter) you are on here griping about media treatment of Michael Schiavo and Tom Delay and what percent of him genuinely cares about Teri and what percent is "politically motivated." Bilmore, please concede that Delay is an asshole and that Michael Schiavo is not an evil man. This way, Ty can proceed to address the astonishing injustice happening now to a woman whose wishes were not proven as they were required to be under the law.

I don't think you mean to, but you are twisting my words. I was trying to suggest that some of the people on the other side are acting reasonably, but I have tried to avoid saying that there is evidence from which one could reasonably conclude that she would have wanted to continue to live in this state. Many of the people who want her to be kept alive are acting out of the best of motives -- that's all I mean.

When I have worked on cases that have appeared in the media, I have never found the media reports particularly edifying or accurate, so I mistrust much of what I read about this case as well -- from what I can tell, with good reason. I have very little first-hand familiarity with the case. From what I know, I don't see a reason to believe that the Florida courts got it wrong.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

William Saletan in Slate.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
William Saletan in Slate.

You get a precious metal vibrator dispensation.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
From what I know, I don't see a reason to believe that the Florida courts got it wrong.

Start here:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/03/i...iavo-case.html

Then move on (gawd, it still actually hurts my fingers to type that phrase now) to the info in the news yesterday concerning the testimony of MS's sister, the judge's decision that she got her years grossly wrong, and his decision as to what she "really must have meant."

I don't think this all rises to "they definitely got it wrong", but it certainly doesn't rise to "they might have it right", either.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
William Saletan in Slate.

You need to get a room.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
Start here:
http://isteve.blogspot.com/2005/03/i...iavo-case.html

Then move on (gawd, it still actually hurts my fingers to type that phrase now) to the info in the news yesterday concerning the testimony of MS's sister, the judge's decision that she got her years grossly wrong, and his decision as to what she "really must have meant."

I don't think this all rises to "they definitely got it wrong", but it certainly doesn't rise to "they might have it right", either.

You linked to that blog recently, and I read it then. It's interesting, but I don't see anything in it that rises to the sort of clear and convincing evidence I'd want to see to decide that a court found the wrong facts. And there's lots of stuff showing up in "the news" about this case that's flat-out wrong, as suggested by the thing I linked to.

Besides, I thought you didn't care about what her wishes were. I thought that for you, it was all about maximizing the utils of those who still have functional brains.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by bilmore
You need to get a room.

Saletan quotes DeLay, which I figured might make it tougher for you to pretend that DeLay's views essentially track your own.

And that's not even getting to the interplay between the product liability suit that was filed after his father's death, and DeLay's expressed views about tort reform.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Your new avatar is great, but I'm not sure it suits you. It always makes me anticipate some gonzo drug addled twisted logic- whereas your posts (while often misguided and incorrect) are typically straight forward.

It hearkens back to my younger days. Many a dark night I stared into the abyss that was the fountain on the quad and saw that very image staring back.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Saletan quotes DeLay, which I figured might make it tougher for you to pretend that DeLay's views essentially track your own.

That Delay's views track my own? Now you need to get a room with padded walls.

(I was referring to the other noted Delay fan and you, but I guess you got a coupon instead.)

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
You linked to that blog recently, and I read it then. It's interesting, but I don't see anything in it that rises to the sort of clear and convincing evidence I'd want to see to decide that a court found the wrong facts.

Yeah. That's why I added "I don't think this all rises to "they definitely got it wrong", but it certainly doesn't rise to "they might have it right", either."

[bilmore]

Originally posted by taxwonk
It hearkens back to my younger days. Many a dark night I stared into the abyss that was the fountain on the quad and saw that very image staring back.

Fountain, hell. I had that exact experience, time after time, until my roomates finally removed the bathroom door mirror.

[Gattigap]

Sayeth CNN:

• Anti-abortion activist Randall Terry, who has acted as a spokesman for Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said a group in Washington would reach out to top officials and urge "anybody that has guts up there" to intervene in the case.

Hmm. I wonder if Congress will enforce that subpoena.

[bilmore]

When you totally misread a post and reply to it, sometimes it's better to just erase.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Gattigap

Hmm. I wonder if Congress will enforce that subpoena.

The polls say: unlikely.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Sayeth CNN:

• Anti-abortion activist Randall Terry, who has acted as a spokesman for Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said a group in Washington would reach out to top officials and urge "anybody that has guts up there" to intervene in the case.

Hmm. I wonder if Congress will enforce that subpoena.

No one here has posted about the news that Jeb Bush sent state troopers (or their Fla. equivalent) to remove Schiavo and take her to another facility where a feeding tube would be installed, only to have the local police refuse to cooperate. The state troopers backed down. Brother Bush apparently doesn't feel quite so strongly about it.