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Tyrone Slothrop · 10-06-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Wheeeeew, did I just fucking read that right? The LAST thing you want to be caught doing - and this election is a prime example of it - is LISTENING to the other party. When you're doing that, you're going to find yourself going off message, and off message is death. Try engaging the other side during your next oral argument and see where that gets you. Say it. wait for reply. Say it again differently. Wait for rebuttal. Rebut point qujckly and say it again louder the same way you first said it. Repeat as necessary.

Nice post, baby. You still got it.

Not Bob · 10-06-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Kate O'Beirne said it best, in that Edwards is so fucking irrelevant that Cheney probably didn't even know or care who he was the - what, three - times they were at a prayer breakfast or getting yelled at by Matthews.

That being said, they should have anticpated being spun immediately thereafter with the CSPAN photo capture.

The problem isn't that Cheney thinks that Edwards is an empty suit. Heck, I'm sure that Lloyd Bentsen felt the same way about Dan Quayle. But Ms. O'Beirne is selling nothing but spin by calling Edwards irrelevant -- the Bush-Cheney '04 people have known all about Mister Trial Lawyer for a loooooong time. They started putting out the "Breck Girl" comments about him over a year ago, if memory serves. He may be a Bob Forehead in their minds, but he's been on their minds. That ain't gonna cut it.

Simply put, Cheney fucked up. He relied upon his apparently faulty memory to try to slam Edwards by demonstrating how cavalierly he took his Senate duties. Or, his staff fucked up by relying upon his apparently faulty memory. You had to think that that was a planned line. Why didn't Scooter or Matalin do some legwork to make sure that the boss had never met the Breck boy before they allowed the boss to say it on the air like that?

It may undercut Cheney by allowing Edwards to show that the facts don't matter to Cheney -- you can hear Edwards saying "he misled the American people about 9/11, about WMD, even about whether he met me." And it backfires becuase now instead of talking about Edwards' lack of attendance, we're talking about Dick's gaffe.

That being said, why did Posada try to score on Hunter? Why, bilmore, why?

sebastian_dangerfield · 10-06-2004, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
So I'm 1000x hotter than usual?

But 1000 x 0 = 0.

*sob*

Its more emotional than that. I think you knocked on the door of my soul and found someone home.

PS: What was the definition of fuckwad again? Ty is a fuckwad.

Tyrone Slothrop · 10-06-2004, 05:07 PM

Michigan's absentee ballot apparently is misaligned, such that the box next to Kerry's name will instead record a vote for Bush:

Oops. Kevin Drum has the story. Do these problems have something to do with being surrounded on three sides by water? Why, Hank, why?

Replaced_Texan · 10-06-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I thought it was interesting that God didn't come up at all in this. Nothing on faith based initiatives on the domestic front, nothing on abstinance education programs to counter rising HIV rates in the black female population (which I'm pretty sure that question was aimed at), nothing on abortion, a pass after his initial comments on the gay marriage thing, nothing on anything that pandered to the wingnut base that is so important to the GOP. Cheney isn't exactly the Religious Right spokesmodel, but it seemed that he totally ignored that constituancy.

I posted the above at another forum when the site was down. My favorite response:

I'm pretty sure the reason Cheney didn't speak much on that subject is that he is actually repelled by the mere mention of the word God. Actually entering a church or touching a cross causes him to smoke, or even burst into flames. As such, having him speak on such matters is impractical.

Hank Chinaski · 10-06-2004, 05:08 PM

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Wheeeeew, did I just fucking read that right? The LAST thing you want to be caught doing - and this election is a prime example of it - is LISTENING to the other party. When you're doing that, you're going to find yourself going off message, and off message is death. Try engaging the other side during your next oral argument and see where that gets you. Say it. wait for reply. Say it again differently. Wait for rebuttal. Rebut point qujckly and say it again louder the same way you first said it. Repeat as necessary.

Ty, and I are like Nixon and Kennedy (the original). We both started out believing. and trying to convince others of our positions. I gave up and retreated to dirty tricks, but with Ty its still Camelot....

ltl/fb · 10-06-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
fwiw, I heart Halliburton.

Me too. And Ken Lay/Enron, and the entire defense industry.

Hank Chinaski · 10-06-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Michigan's absentee ballot apparently is misaligned, such that the box next to Kerry's name will instead record a vote for Bush:

Oops. Kevin Drum has the story. Do these problems have something to do with being surrounded on three sides by water? Why, Hank, why?

Everyone look, this is Democratic paranoia. this state is completely ruled by Dems, and puts out a ballot where it appears you can't even vote for Bush at all, and Ty blames me.

bilmore · 10-06-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
How long until DeLay goes down?

He has enough troubles. You don't need to start in on his sexual inadequacies.

bilmore · 10-06-2004, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
But, I don't recall him or Bush ever saying they would like to reach across the movie aisle to work together with Moore. But don't let that get in the way of your string of posting brilliance.

Who WAS that masked man sitting next to Carter at the convention, kemo sabe?

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Thurgreed(The old, "I would have worked with them and got things done, but they were critical of me" defense. How's that going for you at work?)Marshall

You know better than that. I don't work.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-06-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let me get this straight.

You want to ignore the plain language and look to the "implication"

Whenver Kerry says crap about a "global test", you want us to ignore the implications and look to the actual words he says.

Just trying to keep track here.

If you insist on being stupid, don't half-ass it, homey. Take the actual words "global test" and play it out to your illogical conclusion. It should mean that every country gets a vote on when we invade, right? This includes the "Axis of Evil," Djibouti and Estonia, right? No. Wait. It means that it should be submitted to every person on the face of the Earth as a referendum.

You're embarrassing yourself.

TM

Say_hello_for_me · 10-06-2004, 05:15 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I gave up and retreated to dirty tricks, but with Ty its still Camelot....

New board motto?

SlaveNoMore · 10-06-2004, 05:18 PM

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Replaced_Texan
[How long until DeLay goes down?

After election day - and just before Rather

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-06-2004, 05:20 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
It would be inordinately better than the inexperienced but connected democrat half-wit you guys threw up there to derail Dean.

I think you can only relate to half-wits. Do you and Hank vacation together?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-06-2004, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
Far as I can tell, Bush is still showing up at the office. Signed some shit just the other day, I hear.

You heard wrong. He's been on vacation more than anybody I've known with a job in my whole life.

TM