Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Seems to me that people get implants to feel sexier, which to me is just sad. But maybe thats why its the province of the lower classes?

Come to Texas, little paigow. Many of our wealthy women have been enhanced to look even better as they drive their Suburbans from the spa to lunch while talking on the cell phone and running over small animals, etc. Of course, our strippers are generally enhanced as well (and many of them end up being wealthy women!).

Was Kelly Clarkson a total shoo-in to win like Ruben is? How did the top ten breakdown in comparison? Seems to me this time there are three categories, a couple of outlire horrid people like Jlulia and Carmen, the masses who are mediorcre and then a couple of excellent singers like Trenyce and Ruben/ was it the same deal last go round?

I forgot that the votes carry over. In that case, I definitley go with carmen trenyce and rickey. who was the third bottom three person last week? If it was one of the Kims, it might save rickey.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
. . . Seems to me that people get implants to feel sexier, which to me is just sad. But maybe thats why its the province of the lower classes? . . .

Yes. No one in Greenwich ever got a boob job.
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Originally posted by thebigbaddawg
Come to Texas, little paigow. Many of our wealthy women have been enhanced to look even better as they drive their Suburbans from the spa to lunch while talking on the cell phone and running over small animals, etc. Of course, our strippers are generally enhanced as well (and many of them end up being wealthy women!).

Coming full circle. Like Anna Nicole Smith. A lot of Texas has the newer money so its not the old story of rich men marrying beatiful women giving us hotties with watered down brains. these are women who came from average looking people who have the money to surgery up. and as we all know, everything is bigger in Texas.

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yes. No one in Greenwich ever got a boob job.
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We had this convo about Greenwich and boob jobs a few days ago. Go see my response. In sum, Greenwich has shifting demographics. Big time. No pun.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Was Kelly Clarkson a total shoo-in to win like Ruben is? How did the top ten breakdown in comparison? Seems to me this time there are three categories, a couple of outlire horrid people like Jlulia and Carmen, the masses who are mediorcre and then a couple of excellent singers like Trenyce and Ruben/ was it the same deal last go round?

I forgot that the votes carry over. In that case, I definitley go with carmen trenyce and rickey. who was the third bottom three person last week? If it was one of the Kims, it might save rickey.

Kim Locke was third from bottom last week.

Apparently I accidentally stepped into a parallel universe last night around 8:00 b/c although I thought I was watching American idol, there was no 205 jersey, Simon told Carmen she sucked and told Clay he was good, and listening to a Celine Dion song didn't make me want to gouge out my own eardrums. Oh, but Carmen still sucked ass, so maybe I was in the right universe after all.

Oh, and stop insulting my mother. You are starting to piss me off.

Originally posted by barely_legal
Kim Locke was third from bottom last week.

Apparently I accidentally stepped into a parallel universe last night around 8:00 b/c although I thought I was watching American idol, there was no 205 jersey, Simon told Carmen she sucked and told Clay he was good, and listening to a Celine Dion song didn't make me want to gouge out my own eardrums. Oh, but Carmen still sucked ass, so maybe I was in the right universe after all.

Oh, and stop insulting my mother. You are starting to piss me off.

I am not insulting your mother. I am sharing my long held societal observations in response to flames and counterviews tossed my way. Knowing me, you cannot possibly expect me to shut up on that issue bc my friend's mom got a boobjob. THose are my beliefs and I am sorry if you dont like them (how is that for a passive aggresssive apology) And I said I was done on this (this time) for now.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I am not insulting your mother. I am sharing my long held societal observations in response to flames and counterviews tossed my way. Knowing me, you cannot possibly expect me to shut up on that issue bc my friend's mom got a boobjob. THose are my beliefs and I am sorry if you dont like them (how is that for a passive aggresssive apology) And I said I was done on this (this time) for now.

It's nice that you say you are done, but it's very convenient for you to be "done" right after you say that implants are the province of the lower classes. But you are "done" so nobody should respond to that, right, because then THEY would be beating a dead horse. Fuck you. I'd take my "low class" mother any day over a mother who raises her daughter to think that people who grow up in Connecticut are automatically "classier" than people who grew up in, let's say, Pennsylvania. Because god forbid somebody ever mistake you for someone who didn't grow up in Connecticut.

You know I'm your friend, but there's no way I'm letting you slide on the stupid things are saying just because of that. You are being a huge bitch about this issue, and not in the funny way you sometimes are.

Originally posted by barely_legal
It's nice that you say you are done, but it's very convenient for you to be "done" right after you say that implants are the province of the lower classes. But you are "done" so nobody should respond to that, right, because then THEY would be beating a dead horse. Fuck you. I'd take my "low class" mother any day over a mother who raises her daughter to think that people who grow up in Connecticut are automatically "classier" than people who grew up in, let's say, Pennsylvania. Because god forbid somebody ever mistake you for someone who didn't grow up in Connecticut.

You know I'm your friend, but there's no way I'm letting you slide on the stupid things are saying just because of that. You are being a huge bitch about this issue, and not in the funny way you sometimes are.

No, people are free to continue posting. I am done not in a last word kind of way, but in a I sense that people are probably fed up with hearing my opinion on this issue kind of way. Especially since I am not saying anything new and not adding to the conversation at this point. Just perpetuating a subject that apparently upsets you.

You know my opinion on this matter. You always have. We dont discuss it when we are together but the topic was up on this forum with other people, so I am discussing. I firmly believe what I believe on this and sorry if it implicates your mother, who I do not know. If you are upset about it, I suggest you dont read it. And I am certainly not attempting to be funny on this matter as i dont think its humourous. Its more like how I feel about the rainforest and PETA. Something that a lot of people do not care to read about and probably dont read. You should probably do the same on this issuue.

I dont ask you to change your opinions on things so dont ask me to change my opinions. Its an exercise in futility anyway and we all know it.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
No, people are free to continue posting. I am done not in a last word kind of way, but in a I sense that people are probably fed up with hearing my opinion on this issue kind of way. Especially since I am not saying anything new and not adding to the conversation at this point. Just perpetuating a subject that apparently upsets you.

You know my opinion on this matter. You always have. We dont discuss it when we are together but the topic was up on this forum with other people, so I am discussing. I firmly believe what I believe on this and sorry if it implicates your mother, who I do not know. If you are upset about it, I suggest you dont read it. And I am certainly not attempting to be funny on this matter as i dont think its humourous. Its more like how I feel about the rainforest and PETA. Something that a lot of people do not care to read about and probably dont read. You should probably do the same on this issuue.

I dont ask you to change your opinions on things so dont ask me to change my opinions. Its an exercise in futility anyway and we all know it.

I'm not asking you to change your opinions. But if you seriously believe that implants are the province of the lower classes, and are not just saying that to try to be funny, then I've lost a lot of respect for you. A lot. That is like me saying that I think all people who use Botox are over-the-hill crones trying desperately to hold on to the fading remnants of youth and stave off the ravages of time and the aging effects of cigarette smoke. Or Ryan Seacrest.

Originally posted by barely_legal
I'm not asking you to change your opinions. But if you seriously believe that implants are the province of the lower classes, and are not just saying that to try to be funny, then I've lost a lot of respect for you. A lot. That is like me saying that I think all people who use Botox are over-the-hill crones trying desperately to hold on to the fading remnants of youth and stave off the ravages of time and the aging effects of cigarette smoke. Or Ryan Seacrest.

I am not sure I would totally disagree with that description of botox, i would jsut say its incomplete. I would say that botox is also probably used a lot by peole who are afraid of getting old who may not be old yet, and afraid of looking old. again, society doesnt seem to pay much attention to women of a certain age. Or as Kathy Bates said to Frances Conroy on Six Feet Under recently when she was urging Frances to steal some lipstick, "go ahead, women our age are invisible". Madonna has addressed the issue saying, "what, I am forty? Am I supposed to disappear?". So why wouldnt someone who listens to this shit that society spews all the time not be afraid of aging? Why wouldnt they not automatically reach for the botox? shit. I guess its a matter of how you describe older women.

And I certianly did not refer to people who get implants as trailer trash proles (the equivalent of the over the hill women), I said people who are not wealthy or something. I might disparage people as proles in jest, yes, and as you know, I would not not be friends with someone bc they come from a different background than I- you know my friends are from all sorts of backgrounds pretty much. ANd I would never say where you come from predisposes what you are going to be and the limits on you and that coming from a certain background makes you a bad person. Its what you do with what you have. IN every single person's case. But I do believe, from my obervations throughout my years, that the majority of people who get implants are people form probably lower middle class to middle class. I havent seen the demographics, its just what I speculate is the case from what I have seen. And I am fascinated by people watching and demography and drawing conclusions from what I see. And you are free to disagree iwth those conclusions. I regret that you have lost a great deal of respect for me. I guess we cannot all like everything about each other. Nobody's perfect.

This whole discussion reminds me of that saying that democracy is Britain's dirty little secret, class is America's. I guess I am just voicing seomthing that is not generally discussed.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I am not sure I would totally disagree with that description of botox, i would jsut say its incomplete. I would say that botox is also probably used a lot by peole who are afraid of getting old who may not be old yet, and afraid of looking old. again, society doesnt seem to pay much attention to women of a certain age. Or as Kathy Bates said to Frances Conroy on Six Feet Under recently when she was urging Frances to steal some lipstick, "go ahead, women our age are invisible". Madonna has addressed the issue saying, "what, I am forty? Am I supposed to disappear?". So why wouldnt someone who listens to this shit that society spews all the time not be afraid of aging? Why wouldnt they not automatically reach for the botox? shit. I guess its a matter of how you describe older women.

You're right, we should probably let this die before we bore everybody to death. But I would just like to point the hypocrisy of saying that women get botox b/c they are responding to society's view that aging is bad so botox is ok. But women who get implants are not responding to society's view that bigger boobs are more attractive -- apparently those women are just in the sex business or are lower class.

In both cases, women are doing something to make themselves feel more attractive. And both procedures come with serious risks. To say that one is ok, and the other is trashy is ridiculous.

[spookyfish]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Was Kelly Clarkson a total shoo-in to win like Ruben is? How did the top ten breakdown in comparison? Seems to me this time there are three categories, a couple of outlire horrid people like Jlulia and Carmen, the masses who are mediorcre and then a couple of excellent singers like Trenyce and Ruben/ was it the same deal last go round?

Late to the party on this one. I saw this season's AI for the first time last night, and to be honest, only saw the last three full performances, and the recaps at the end, but I'll give it a shot based upon your categories.

Two excellent singers in my mind from last time. Kelly and Tamyra Gray.

Fair to Middling: They boy-band boy (forget his name). Justin, Christina Crisiansen, though she was closer to the top group, and most of the group not mentioned below.

The worst:

The pink-haired chick who lasted far too long, and the rawk girl with the dark hair (damn, my short-term memory is going to hell)

Of the three performances I saw in full:

Carmen -- she's cute, but her singing is fucking horrible. No range whatsoever. Whoever said bad karaoke hit it right on the head, and what was with the Pat Benatar 80's "Love is a Battlefield" right-together, left-together two-step bop. Ugh. Unfortunately "cute" took some contestants much farther than they would have gone last year, too.

Trenyce - nice voice, but I have trouble getting past the fact that I hate Celine Dion. She seemed more tentative than Ruben and had much less stage presence.

Ruben - great voice and also seemed the most comfortable on stage of the three. Charisma to spare and knows how to work a crowd.

Oh, and about Clay. He has a nice voice. A Broadway Chorus nice voice, not an American Idol nice voice, although if he won they would probably pick some crappy schmaltzy ballad (like they did for Kelly) as his first "hit" single that would suit his talents well. FWIW, as to whether he is or isn't, my guess is if he hasn't taken the "Big Gay Boatride" yet, he will. NTTAWWT.

spookyfish

Originally posted by barely_legal
You're right, we should probably let this die before we bore everybody to death. But I would just like to point the hypocrisy of saying that women get botox b/c they are responding to society's view that aging is bad so botox is ok. But women who get implants are not responding to society's view that bigger boobs are more attractive -- apparently those women are just in the sex business or are lower class.

In both cases, women are doing something to make themselves feel more attractive. And both procedures come with serious risks. To say that one is ok, and the other is trashy is ridiculous.

I didnt opine as to whether Botox is ok or not. I was going off on a tangent about how society is dictating people to do unnatural stuff, which is the same as fake tits. I said the difference is whether you call these women old hags. (well I think I said the difference is what you call tehse older women). I have said IRL , shit I am getting old, I need botox. and anything else i have said to you irl should not be discussed here for whatever reason but i didnt say here that botox is ok. i have offered no opinion whatsoever on botox. and i also did not say whether botox was the province of the lower classes, which I do not believe it is. but i will differentiated botox from fake tits in a couple of ways. One, botox is not so much about being sexy as it is about not looking old. you might take it the next step and say being young is about being sexy. but i might not agree with that statement and getting botox isnt mean I am gonna put on a more revealing bikini or whatnot. I will also say that botox does not involve risky anesthesia, and multiple operations. i have yet to see major lawsuits over botox threatending someone's life and it doesnt require lying in bed and putting your life on hold for a few weeks to recover from it. but are they both exercises in vanity? yes. one is just a far more drastic and severe exercise. I would never want my mom to get implants bc I would fear for her during the surgery and afterwards and I would think she sould use the money in far better ways. But my mom is someone who does not even buy expensive wrinkle creams at counters. she would rather take her cash and go traveling. but thats a tangent, and neither here nor there and not relevant to antying except to say that I come form a family where peopel are just not as concerned about that kind of stuff. I wish more people in the world were like that. bc then I would not wonder about the pros and cons of injecting pig poison near my brain on down days.