Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

Originally posted by thebigbaddawg
Come to Texas, little paigow. Many of our wealthy women have been enhanced to look even better as they drive their Suburbans from the spa to lunch while talking on the cell phone and running over small animals, etc. Of course, our strippers are generally enhanced as well (and many of them end up being wealthy women!).

Yuppo - my first stab at this post vanished into the ether...

In any event, wasn't the big boobie surgery pioneered in the fine Republic of Texas?

I could swear I saw a 'gripping' tv docudrama about this 'seminal' event in medical history - starring Ross from 'Friends' as a young physician dedicated to the healing arts and the laying on of hands, and of course, as all good docudramas do, featuring truthful and accurate physiological performances by numerous actresses portraying the long-suffering women who blossomed as a result. (would you like some 'whine' with that cheese, monsieur?)

j(my man-boobs are all-natural, and bigger than sebby's to boot)l :waggle:

p.s. I didn't say I was angry this morning when I picked up my clothes from your bedroom floor, I said I was cross, remember?

[SlaveNoMore]

Sparklehorse
FWIW, there's a whole slide show of photos [in the Salon article] and I was referring more to women in the other photographs than the first woman.

First woman was Penthouse pet, porn chick and one-time "Shipmates" contestant Aria Giovanni.

not7y(since you cared)S

[c2ed]

Brilliant. Inspiring. Nailed it.


C(bravo! more more!)deuced

[evenodds]

If the war ends soon, does that mean that America will put us out of our misery and send Josh home next week?

Even(sitting home, watching the news)Odds

Originally posted by c2ed
Brilliant. Inspiring. Nailed it.


C(bravo! more more!)deuced

ditto - jl - love your tag c2ed (I'm a slow learner, ask bilmore)

[Sparklehorse]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
First woman was Penthouse pet, porn chick and one-time "Shipmates" contestant Aria Giovanni.

not7y(since you cared)S

So is JFF correct about the implants? Inquiring minds want to know.

[SlaveNoMore]

ThurgreedMarshall
The New GA Club
[Sung to the tune of In da Club]

It now all makes sense.

All this time, I've been saying "Yo Momma worth 50 cent"

So now we know where the rapper got his name.

not7yS

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by barely_legal
You're right, we should probably let this die before we bore everybody to death. But I would just like to point the hypocrisy of saying that women get botox b/c they are responding to society's view that aging is bad so botox is ok. But women who get implants are not responding to society's view that bigger boobs are more attractive -- apparently those women are just in the sex business or are lower class.

In both cases, women are doing something to make themselves feel more attractive. And both procedures come with serious risks. To say that one is ok, and the other is trashy is ridiculous.

PP,

As I've said before, those most prone to make class distinctions are those most uncomfortable with their class status. Phrased otherwise, if you have to blather about class, chances are you don't have it (whatever the hell you define it as, since your definition of class is conveniently fluid enough to change to fit whatever tortured argument you are offering).

I'm just a dumb hick (no Mayflower lineage here) but I've been a member at a few golf courses since I was a kid, and I know which forks to use, etc... I'm qualified to recognize the difference between nouveau/obnoxious and "class," so I'll offer you this observation - your posts do not evidence one who has a reservoir of what the white shoe crowd considers "class." Class is keeping your status in your pocket. I have never heard an old WASP talk like you. To the contrary, I've heard doctor's wives and overextended lawyers' kids ramble on about how "the new money wrecked the neighborhood." I've heard comments like yours among women exiting their leased Benzes at Neiman's or Saks in the King of Prussia Mall or Short Hills. And I've heard those same hollow laments from stupid young brokers and leveraged tech people at the bar in the Breakers. Your comments are all very Boca, but they ain't Palm Beach Proper.

That you made breast implants into a referdum on class underscores my points and leads me to the suspicion that your diatribes on class are deflections of insecurity about your own status. I'd say your comments sound like they were lifted from Yeats or Fitzgerald (two of the the most unabashed unworthy class critics of the 20th century) , but they actually come off more like Bret Easton Ellis.

S(you want judgment, you got it)D

[ThurgreedMarshall]

SD quoting paigow:
"And dont judge me for disliking fake tits and the people who have them and what influence they have on youjng girls and unrealistic body images."

What is the big mystery here?

Of course young girls have unrealistic body images. Our beauty ideal is unrealistic. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but every beholder has an opinion about what is perfect. If it's a matter of "the closer to perfect you get, the more beautiful you are," young people (and old people alike) will always have unrealistic body images. And they will always be reaching for what they can't have naturally. Hell, even Hollywood stars don't look the way they are advertised as looking. Surgery, photo manipulation, lighting, etc. helps the most beautiful people in entertainment achieve what we have set up as our ideal. And yes, it is OUR ideal. If it wasn't, people like Heather Graham would be OUT OF WORK. Hollywood doesn't create it. We do. We pay to see the people we think are beautiful.

So, the question is, how do we shift our beauty ideal to something more attainable to the majority of people (including young girls) in this country?

The answer is, you can't. That's why it's the beauty ideal.

If everyone looked like Halle Berry (<sigh>) or Ashley Judd or Julia Roberts or whatever your definition of perfection may be, those looks would be attainable and therefore common. A new beauty ideal would emerge that would be as difficult to attain as the one we have now.

The answer is that people (including these young girls of which you speak) need to deal with it. Sounds harsh, but it's not. How do you deal with it? Parents of kids whose genetic code is set to "ugly" need to stress that what is beautiful to the majority of people and what is held up as an ideal is just that. It's a made-up standard that is unattainable. Help them come to terms with who they are and what about them makes them attractive.

Now, I'm not saying people can't improve themselves. A healthy diet and exercise works for starters. But a firm dose of reality would go a long way for most little girls (boys, adults, etc.).

Thurgreed(if we can accept that not everyone can be brilliant, why is it so hard to accept that not everyone can be beautiful? Shit, yo momma came to terms with both long ago)Marshall

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
What is the big mystery here?

Of course young girls have unrealistic body images. Our beauty ideal is unrealistic. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but every beholder has an opinion about what is perfect. If it's a matter of "the closer to perfect you get, the more beautiful you are," young people (and old people alike) will always have unrealistic body images. And they will always be reaching for what they can't have naturally. Hell, even Hollywood stars don't look the way they are advertised as looking. Surgery, photo manipulation, lighting, etc. helps the most beautiful people in entertainment achieve what we have set up as our ideal. And yes, it is OUR ideal. If it wasn't, people like Heather Graham would be OUT OF WORK. Hollywood doesn't create it. We do. We pay to see the people we think are beautiful.

So, the question is, how do we shift our beauty ideal to something more attainable to the majority of people (including young girls) in this country?

The answer is, you can't. That's why it's the beauty ideal.

If everyone looked like Halle Berry (<sigh>) or Ashley Judd or Julia Roberts or whatever your definition of perfection may be, those looks would be attainable and therefore common. A new beauty ideal would emerge that would be as difficult to attain as the one we have now.

The answer is that people (including these young girls of which you speak) need to deal with it. Sounds harsh, but it's not. How do you deal with it? Parents of kids whose genetic code is set to "ugly" need to stress that what is beautiful to the majority of people and what is held up as an ideal is just that. It's a made-up standard that is unattainable. Help them come to terms with who they are and what about them makes them attractive.

Now, I'm not saying people can't improve themselves. A healthy diet and exercise works for starters. But a firm dose of reality would go a long way for most little girls (boys, adults, etc.).

Thurgreed(if we can accept that not everyone can be brilliant, why is it so hard to accept that not everyone can be beautiful? Shit, yo momma came to terms with both long ago)Marshall

Well said.

I guarantee you that if America consisted of waify people and gaining weight was difficult, most of Hollywood would be fat. Our genetic codes are designed to find beauty in uniqueness.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
This whole discussion reminds me of that saying that democracy is Britain's dirty little secret, class is America's. I guess I am just voicing seomthing that is not generally discussed.

Actually, PP, you don't know any "dirty little secrets," because the folks who would discuss those secrets simply wouldn't converse with your kind, and you know it.

You are entitled to any opinion under the sun, but you aren't entitled to speak on behalf of those who'd never even shake your hand.

By the way, "convo" is sooo '99, and soooo Stamford.

And don't say "I'm just making observations on what I think is class" - what you are really saying is "By an objective standard which I am privileged to know, I have class, and (insert target of ire here) doesn't." You don't get to make that call. You won't admit it here, but you goddamn well its true. Get over yourself.

S(this ain't personal - I still like you and wish you'd bag this bullshit attitude)D

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
What is the big mystery here?

Of course young girls have unrealistic body images. Our beauty ideal is unrealistic. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but every beholder has an opinion about what is perfect. If it's a matter of "the closer to perfect you get, the more beautiful you are," young people (and old people alike) will always have unrealistic body images. And they will always be reaching for what they can't have naturally. Hell, even Hollywood stars don't look the way they are advertised as looking. Surgery, photo manipulation, lighting, etc. helps the most beautiful people in entertainment achieve what we have set up as our ideal. And yes, it is OUR ideal. If it wasn't, people like Heather Graham would be OUT OF WORK. Hollywood doesn't create it. We do. We pay to see the people we think are beautiful.

So, the question is, how do we shift our beauty ideal to something more attainable to the majority of people (including young girls) in this country?

The answer is, you can't. That's why it's the beauty ideal.

If everyone looked like Halle Berry (<sigh>) or Ashley Judd or Julia Roberts or whatever your definition of perfection may be, those looks would be attainable and therefore common. A new beauty ideal would emerge that would be as difficult to attain as the one we have now.

The answer is that people (including these young girls of which you speak) need to deal with it. Sounds harsh, but it's not. How do you deal with it? Parents of kids whose genetic code is set to "ugly" need to stress that what is beautiful to the majority of people and what is held up as an ideal is just that. It's a made-up standard that is unattainable. Help them come to terms with who they are and what about them makes them attractive.

Now, I'm not saying people can't improve themselves. A healthy diet and exercise works for starters. But a firm dose of reality would go a long way for most little girls (boys, adults, etc.).

Thurgreed(if we can accept that not everyone can be brilliant, why is it so hard to accept that not everyone can be beautiful? Shit, yo momma came to terms with both long ago)Marshall

It is amazing the way times have changed. I was specifically concerned with all the eating disorders going around which were bad when I was in school but now we have anorexic celebs. I watch sorority life, when I can remember its on, and marvel how different college kids are now than when I was in college. Like I remmeber the first time I learneed aobut the existence of implants. I was a sophomore in college (!) and was reading some schlock like cosmo and this girlfriend of my roommate said to me that the girl on the cover wasnt real and I was like, huh? She said, you cant be that skinny and have enormous breasts. Nobody in real life does. Which was true. Plenty of skinny anorexics but none with an enormous rack. I think half of the girls in my college went through bulimia, anorexia and a combo of both and I think the impossible standards of mags like cosmo are probably a part of it ( i guess daddy issues are too but I never understood that). Now it seems like a lot more girls in college would want to actually take the drastic steps to be like that. When we were in college, nobody would consider doinga boob surgery. Maybe we might go jogging or to the gym. But, even for the easting disorder people, surgery wouldnt even occur to you.

Now these college girls dont really seem to party, probably bc its fattening and they have to go to the gym. apparently they all know what tit surgery is bc it is so in our face and these ideals are just all over the place. and i bet a bunch of them have actually done it or thought to do it. I bet eating disorders are up a huge amount and they were bad back in my day.

I dont know if this is bv of the explosion of cable, the internet, and the magazine industry or what, but I am definitely glad I am not 18 in these days. And I would worry for my daughter that times are gonna be tough and no matter how grounded my husband and Imight try to raise her, there are a lot of bad outside inflouences looking to prey on her sense of self worth so that she risks her health to achieve an ideal that just cant be acheived without surgery, a personal trainer three hours a day or just plain good luck if you are halle berry. I guess the good news is that the plastic people will never approach the beauty of the naturally endowed bc manmade changes just dont look as real and good; and maybe she can realize that she should work with what she has. Sadly its hard to ingrain that in a teenager.

seems like girls today are now under the impression that if they werent born beautiful on the outside they can make themselves that way through manmade means, rather than accept that they will never be beautiful or learning to love their unique looks. Like with those Italian chicks from MBA= Denise and Jill. They probably used to have mediterranean noses that were probably better suited for their faces. but (insert name of lovely actress or model) has a pert little nose, so these gals went and got prepackaged noses that dont suit them and just make them look off somehow. Its too bad.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
It is amazing the way times have changed. I was specifically concerned with all the eating disorders going around which were bad when I was in school but now we have anorexic celebs. I watch sorority life, when I can remember its on, and marvel how different college kids are now than when I was in college. Like I remmeber the first time I learneed aobut the existence of implants. I was a sophomore in college (!) and was reading some schlock like cosmo and this girlfriend of my roommate said to me that the girl on the cover wasnt real and I was like, huh? She said, you cant be that skinny and have enormous breasts. Nobody in real life does. Which was true. Plenty of skinny anorexics but none with an enormous rack. I think half of the girls in my college went through bulimia, anorexia and a combo of both and I think the impossible standards of mags like cosmo are probably a part of it ( i guess daddy issues are too but I never understood that). Now it seems like a lot more girls in college would want to actually take the drastic steps to be like that. When we were in college, nobody would consider doinga boob surgery. Maybe we might go jogging or to the gym. But, even for the easting disorder people, surgery wouldnt even occur to you.

Now these college girls dont really seem to party, probably bc its fattening and they have to go to the gym. apparently they all know what tit surgery is bc it is so in our face and these ideals are just all over the place. and i bet a bunch of them have actually done it or thought to do it. I bet eating disorders are up a huge amount and they were bad back in my day.

I dont know if this is bv of the explosion of cable, the internet, and the magazine industry or what, but I am definitely glad I am not 18 in these days. And I would worry for my daughter that times are gonna be tough and no matter how grounded my husband and Imight try to raise her, there are a lot of bad outside inflouences looking to prey on her sense of self worth so that she risks her health to achieve an ideal that just cant be acheived without surgery, a personal trainer three hours a day or just plain good luck if you are halle berry. I guess the good news is that the plastic people will never approach the beauty of the naturally endowed bc manmade changes just dont look as real and good; and maybe she can realize that she should work with what she has. Sadly its hard to ingrain that in a teenager.

seems like girls today are now under the impression that if they werent born beautiful on the outside they can make themselves that way through manmade means, rather than accept that they will never be beautiful or learning to love their unique looks. Like with those Italian chicks from MBA= Denise and Jill. They probably used to have mediterranean noses that were probably better suited for their faces. but (insert name of lovely actress or model) has a pert little nose, so these gals went and got prepackaged noses that dont suit them and just make them look off somehow. Its too bad.

There are some very good points there. Excellent points. And you managed to not mention class once. Bravo!

But if you are really watching SL, then have you noticed how many obese women are in/pledging the sorority? What do you make of that?

[Did you just call me Coltrane?]

Originally posted by barely_legal
There are some very good points there. Excellent points. And you managed to not mention class once. Bravo!

But if you are really watching SL, then have you noticed how many obese women are in/pledging the sorority? What do you make of that?

Can I make something of it?

I'd wager there is a direct correlation b/w the increase of obesity in this country and the increase of eating disorders. The fatter we get, the more attractive (and unique) skinny becomes...

Originally posted by barely_legal
There are some very good points there. Excellent points. And you managed to not mention class once. Bravo!

But if you are really watching SL, then have you noticed how many obese women are in/pledging the sorority? What do you make of that?

I think the class thing was implicit in the college reference but lets not go there. you apparently are bitter that I think everyone who isnt in the upper crust of the upper crust is a total POS person. Which I don't and I dont know where you are getting that from. but if you want to get personal, take it off the board please. and you never answered the fondue question.

I hav only seen the first two episodes of sorority life this season but caught a great deal of last season where there was one hard partier fwiw, and boy did she catch shit for that. drinking in college! heavents to betsy! i cant remember the girls this season so much but I do recall a fattie in teh sorority who i think was pissed that someone wasnt being nice to her. she probabaly has her own major issues and achieving the unrealistic beauty image ideal proabalby aint one of them.