Politics: Onward from New Hampshire

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
No one's on my ignore list and have read all the posts. The only one who has articulated a reason was Ty and it was that polygamy is abusive towards women.

Not exactly. Better re-read those posts.

I don't disagree with that as it is practiced by fundamentalist mormons, but so are many heterosexual monogamous relationships. So that is a weak argument.

My point was that a legislature reaching that determination, weak as it may be, would get deference from the courts under rational-basis review.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Not Me
Czechoslovakia is supposed to be the worst for that in Europe.

Either the Czech Republic or Slovakia would be the worst now, then.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by sgtclub
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004072203,00.html

[Kerry intern apparently has taped interview acknowledging relationship]

I love that they taped it in December, but won't release it until they find more evidence.

Probably got bumped by all of the AWOL stories. Interesting dual threshhold requirements.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
I love that they taped it in December, but won't release it until they find more evidence.

Probably got bumped by all of the AWOL stories. Interesting dual threshhold requirements.

I'd take anything that this rag says with a grain of salt. We'll see.

The link that "Not Me" posted was to a Guardina piece with the same photo, noting that there was "no evidence' to support the allegations, and that the woman, currently travelling in Africa with her fiance, declined to comment. It seems to me that "declined to comment" is damn near an admission.

S_A_M

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
I recall a prof in law school saying that the health reasons against incest, such as an increased probability of genetic defects, etc. were proven false. I have no cite for this and moreover have no knowledge as to whether this prof was married to his sister or not.

There was an article/study released a couple of years ago that demonstrated that children of cousins were very unlikely to develope genetic defects. Study, IIRC, also said that they were still something like 7 times more likely than children of unrelated parents) to have birth defects, but that the odds were still sufficiently low that we shouldn't worry.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Statement from the intern and her family.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...300EST0543.DTL

Drudge wrong again? I'm shocked, I tell you shocked.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
The documentary. I would be interested in seeing it. And I don't doubt that drug use and depression is rampant in the porn industry. Few little girls dream of doing porn when they grow up. At the lower end of the spectrum, the women do porn for lack of better options, as you have noted. Perhaps if they were not prevented from engaging in extracurricular activities in high school after failing a drug test, these women would have higher self esteem and would not have resorted to porn.

I saw the documentary that Not Me is describing (I think I did, anyway). I think it was a Frontline documentary, although I didn't see the very beginning or the very end so I'm not positive. It was definitely on public, non-commercial TV. And it definitely showed some pretty out-there stuff, including Lizzie Borden (she of "Working Girls" fame) producing a flick where guys simulated gang-rape of a woman, complete with a beating that she wasn't warned was coming.

They also interviewed a number of the women involved, and they were not getting into this industry because they didn't have other options to make a living, or because they were kept out of extracurricular activities. They were in it because having anal sex with six guys on video was the only way that they, as 18-year olds, could make several grand a week. I feel the same way you apparently do about the referenced aspect of the War on Drugs but it really has nothing to do with the choices these women make.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
The solution is to eliminate the term "marriage" as a legal concept, refer to the legal relationship formerly known as marriage as something else, like "civil union", and allow the legal relationship to apply to both hetero and homo sexual relationships.

Relegate the term "marriage" to a cultural and religious term, but not a legal one. Let the public sort out how it wishes to use the term. Let religious organizations sort out what they accept and what they don't.

Bingo! We have a winner!

Now, how do we do that? (Seriously).

[Secret_Agent_Man]

This kind of stuff don't help in November:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02....ap/index.html

spree: College Republicans at Roger Williams U. establish a $250 yearly scholarship for "whites only" to protest AA. Yearly winner of essay contest on "Why I'm proud of my white heritage" will win prize -- must submit picture to verify whiteness.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Sexual Harassment Panda
Statement from the intern and her family.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...300EST0543.DTL

Drudge wrong again? I'm shocked, I tell you shocked.

Like public statements are ever wrong . . . "I did not have sexual relations with that women, Ms. Lewinsky"

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by bilmore
I love that they taped it in December, but won't release it until they find more evidence.

Probably got bumped by all of the AWOL stories. Interesting dual threshhold requirements.

I thought the AWOL stories only started getting ink in real newspapers after Bush's commanding officer (with the memorable name of Colonel Turnipseed) noted that he didn't remember ever seeing Bush. Which seems a pretty decent piece of evidence.

OTOH, it could just be all that liberal media bias again. After all, it's not like there are any conservative media channels that would be able to publish a credible story about Kerry having an affair with an intern. And the fact that we're discussing it here only proves that the story has not seen the light of day.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
This kind of stuff don't help in November:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02....ap/index.html

spree: College Republicans at Roger Williams U. establish a $250 yearly scholarship for "whites only" to protest AA. Yearly winner of essay contest on "Why I'm proud of my white heritage" will win prize -- must submit picture to verify whiteness.

I am actually a black woman pretending to be a white male. Thus, I can't "talk" to these guys IRL and get anywhere. But if you think AA is an issue on which the dems win, you may be surprised.

There are ignorant people on both sides of most any political issue- this is merely one more dumb was to make a statement.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
I thought the AWOL stories only started getting ink in real newspapers after Bush's commanding officer (with the memorable name of Colonel Turnipseed) noted that he didn't remember ever seeing Bush. Which seems a pretty decent piece of evidence.

Given that all of the discussion occurred well after Turnipseed (who thinks of thse names?) did another interview that basically refuted the entire point of what he had been claimed to be saying, no, I think not.

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
This kind of stuff don't help in November:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02....ap/index.html

spree: College Republicans at Roger Williams U. establish a $250 yearly scholarship for "whites only" to protest AA. Yearly winner of essay contest on "Why I'm proud of my white heritage" will win prize -- must submit picture to verify whiteness.

"Mattera [president of the College Republicans], who is of Puerto Rican descent, is himself a recipient of a $5,000 scholarship open only to a minority group.

"No matter what my ethnicity is, I'm making a statement that scholarships should be given out based on merit and need," Mattera told the Providence Journal."

Apparently the idea that he could refuse the $5,000 scholarship, or donate the funds to a charity, never occurred to him. Bright young lad.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
There are ignorant people on both sides of most any political issue- this is merely one more dumb was to make a statement.

If they did this out of a sincere belief that any race-based qualification is racist, and that society might be better off, in both the long run and the short run, avoiding such distinctions, I don't know if you would think this tactic is ignorant.