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[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
Who WAS that masked man sitting next to Carter at the convention, kemo sabe?

Are you serious? Is this really all you have to say to defend that last comment?

TM

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by dtb
So, apparently, Tuesdays is the day of the Republican caucus (or some such thing) in the Senate, where Mr. Burns -- uh, I mean VP Cheney -- meets with the Republicans to -- well, I don't know what they do, but I guess they go over their strategery.

So, why Mr. Burns would find it surprising that he never ran into Senator Edwards at a Republican Strategery session, I am at a loss. To suggest that Mr. Burns was not trying to leave the impression that Senator Edwards is never on the job, and Burns should know because he's there every Tuesday is disingenuous at best, and affirmatively misleading at worst.

(And talk about not being on the job -- Bush has been on vacation some huge number of days over the last almost-four years. I'm trying to find a cite, but I can't right now -- I'll edit later.)

Top Ten Things Overheard
During George W. Bush's Vacation
Dave's Top Ten, CBS
August 8, 2003

10."This vacation is flying by -- only 33 days left"
9."Dang, Springer's a rerun"
8."These margaritas are weapons of mass destruction"
7."Whoever's in charge really screwed up the economy"
6."My God! Mars is coming right at us!"
5."Don't worry, George. In 17 months, you'll have the longest vacation of your life"
4."Better start making stuff up for the State of the Union Address"
3."I'm itching to declare another war"
2."Proceed with 'Operation Letterman.' Make it look like an accident"
1."Sitting around doing nothing reminds me of being president"

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Everyone look, this is Democratic paranoia. this state is completely ruled by Dems, and puts out a ballot where it appears you can't even vote for Bush at all, and Ty blames me.

If checking the box next to Kerry actually registers a vote for Bush, then it is slick Republican bullshit trying to get in under cover of D paranoia.

sebby, I was intentionally mocking you with my self-contradictory thing. and I never defined fuckwad. Fuckwit? Sort of. Fucktard? Yes, in terms of fuckwit. Fuckwad probably has something to do with shooting one's wad while fucking.

[SlaveNoMore]

dtb
(And talk about not being on the job -- Bush has been on vacation some huge number of days over the last almost-four years. I'm trying to find a cite, but I can't right now -- I'll edit later.)

Please don't bother unless such cite differentiates those "vacations" where he is entertaining foreign heads of state or other prominent guests at the Crawford Ranch at Camp David.

[insert photo of Kerry windsurfing here]

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by dtb
So, apparently, Tuesdays is the day of the Republican caucus (or some such thing) in the Senate, where Mr. Burns -- uh, I mean VP Cheney -- meets with the Republicans to -- well, I don't know what they do, but I guess they go over their strategery.

Just to throw out another possible interpretation of what Cheney said, as heard through the ears of those who fell asleep in government: "I'm Vice President, and my job is to be the head of the Senate. I show up for my job one day a week, unless I'm busy with something else. You, Edwards, must be bad because on the one day a week I actually do my job, you don't seem to be there. But I don't have direct knowledge of other days, because I'm not there, 'cause I only work one day a week."

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Are you serious? Is this really all you have to say to defend that last comment?

TM

Your point seemed to have been, don't bring non-pols into this - Hollyweird is full of outlanders and we shouldn't be judged by them. My point, as to Moore, was that he's been accepted into the mainstream inner circle of demdom, and most certainly represents that philosophy, and that group. How is this non-responsive? My other examples were Moveon/Soros/.org, another main player, and . . . others I don't remember now. All pertinent and relevant. At least the ones I remember . . .

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by bilmore
You've actually hit exactly on the reason for the left's antipathy to the rich, too.

Wow. I think something happened to you from you first started posting on these boards. Maybe you hit your head on a rock while kayaking one too many times. But you used to actually use your brain. Remember that?

I ignored SD's post because he's been pretty consistent since he started posting.

But are you actually suggesting that the measure of intelligence is how much money you have?

TM

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Clearly, seeing as we IM all the time

I always use really small words with you, though.

TM

[SlaveNoMore]

ltl/fb
it is slick Republican bullshit

Why cannot it just be the fault of the idiot Democrats in charge of ordering the ballots in the first place?

Nowhere in that article does Drum mention the party in charge of the mistake - which omission, knowing Kevin's work, speaks volumes.

Also, if you read on, someone apparently "fixed the glitch"

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Some of us want to live in a city on a hill, and some of us want to live in the ranch houses near the airport.

Yeh, but you'll never get brick one of that City laid unless you start playing by the rules which control who gets access to the the bricks.

Its not smart to lose over and over because you find the rules of the game repugnant. That sort of arrogance may get you a round of applause at a round table discussion of policy wonks and professors, but the prize here is not being thought objectively smart. The prize is votes.

The left seems to hit this perpetual disconnect where it defines the "win" as looking superior, but losing the game. Your brightest politician, Clinton, taught you nothing. You were always embarrassed by his "white-trashness" and commonness. In actuality, he embarrassed the left most because he was smarter than the lot of you. He knew how to think and how to manipulate the masses. He was the real left's greatest fear come to life because he showed that true intelligence was not just being able to theoretically debate policy with long words, but being able to actually understand its practical implications AND (and this is important) being to sell it to people who only understand short words. The left squandered the lessons of the smartest cat it ever had. He's laughing in Chappaqua. He'd have killed Bush months ago... He knows that to beat bush you have to be somewhat like Bush, and he knows the left would sooner drink rat poison. But he's a winner, and thats the difference between him and the smarter-than-everyone-by-half lefties.

[SlaveNoMore]

baltassoc
Just to throw out another possible interpretation of what Cheney said, as heard through the ears of those who fell asleep in government: "I'm Vice President, and my job is to be the head of the Senate. I show up for my job one day a week, unless I'm busy with something else. You, Edwards, must be bad because on the one day a week I actually do my job, you don't seem to be there. But I don't have direct knowledge of other days, because I'm not there, 'cause I only work one day a week."

This is all nice and good, except for the irrefutable fact that (1) Cheney actually shows up for his job and (2) Kerry and Edwards don't.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
A president can do most of his job from Texas. a senator can only vote from the senate floor.

You know, this argument would be a hell of a lot more effective if the Senate [Republican] leadership didn't reschedule votes when Kerry and Edwards do show up so as to prevent them from voting.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/...y.senate.vote/

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Are you serious? Is this really all you have to say to defend that last comment?

TM

TM,

It's good to see you over on this board, but you need to understand the way a few things work. When Bilmore has lost an argument, he either posts a truly lame joke about it or he posts saying he never meant what he said to begin with (generally suggesting anyone who argued with him is some kind of a tool for think he ever COULD have meant it). When Hank loses an argument, he posts claiming victory. When Les or Slave lose an argument, they tell the victor to go fuck themselves. Club either slinks away in disgust or hits on Fringie.

Attempting to drag this process out by pointing out to them how badly they lost usually just brings Not Me in to defend them. This is a very bad thing, and we try not to let it happen. Let him slink away; he'll be back for more tomorrow.

Helpfully yours,

G3

[bilmore]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
But are you actually suggesting that the measure of intelligence is how much money you have?

Don't be stupid. You're well-paid.

No, I mean that the measure of success in our society is wealth, and there are a lot of very smart academics who really resent the fact that they are not valued higher than people who are, in their minds, dumber than them. There's a resentment that their own perceived intellectual gifts don't translate into that monetary measure of success - that our society fails to reward the right factors.

[dtb]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
You heard wrong. He's been on vacation more than anybody I've known with a job in my whole life.

TM

One quote I read said that Bush has been on vacation (at the Crawford ranch or at Camp David, probably) for "44% of his Presidency". I'm not sure if that's right -- it couldn't possibly be -- but then again...

I'll keep looking.