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07-02-2007, 08:19 PM
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Consigliere
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Location: Pelosi Land!
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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He does remain a convicted felon, on probation, and responsible for a criminal fine. The only thing he avoided was actual jail time.
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Which is about right in my book.
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07-02-2007, 08:33 PM
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#1532
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Consigliere
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pelosi Land!
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Ty's candidate
Obama:
"This decision to commute the sentence of a man who compromised our national security cements the legacy of an Administration characterized by a politics of cynicism and division, one that has consistently placed itself and its ideology above the law. This is exactly the kind of politics we must change so we can begin restoring the American people's faith in a government that puts the country's progress ahead of the bitter partisanship of recent years."
Um...how exactly did Scooter's false timeframe compromise national security?
Or was Obama referring to Armitage? Or Sandy Berger?
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07-02-2007, 09:01 PM
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#1533
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Pop goes the chupacabra
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Commuted.
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Which is about right in my book.
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Wow, what an admission !
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07-02-2007, 09:08 PM
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#1534
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Consigliere
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Commuted.
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Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Wow, what an admission !
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The opinions of the defenders of William Jefferson Clinton notwithstanding, perjury is indeed a crime.
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07-02-2007, 09:13 PM
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#1535
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Corner Office
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Ty's candidate
Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Obama:
"This decision to commute the sentence of a man who compromised our national security cements the legacy of an Administration characterized by a politics of cynicism and division, one that has consistently placed itself and its ideology above the law. This is exactly the kind of politics we must change so we can begin restoring the American people's faith in a government that puts the country's progress ahead of the bitter partisanship of recent years."
Um...how exactly did Scooter's false timeframe compromise national security?
Or was Obama referring to Armitage? Or Sandy Berger?
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I believe President clinton made the precedent that if it is important enough for him to win, a President should compromise national security. Not that scooter or bush did anything close to what clinton did with China, but still that only makes the argument stronger.
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07-02-2007, 10:34 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Quote:
Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Um...how exactly did Scooter's false timeframe compromise national security?
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Apart from leaking classified information about Valerie Plame? Or are those childhood head injuries catching up with you?
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07-02-2007, 10:48 PM
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Apart from leaking classified information about Valerie Plame? Or are those childhood head injuries catching up with you?
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wait. wasn't the conviction for perjury? did the vast right wing conspiracy hide that he was really convicted for treason?
Poll: does this woman need implants?
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07-02-2007, 11:15 PM
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Moderasaurus Rex
Join Date: May 2004
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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
wait. wasn't the conviction for perjury?
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Yes. Obama didn't say he was convicted for leaking -- he said he leaked. Which is true.
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07-02-2007, 11:23 PM
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Proud Holder-Post 200,000
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Quote:
Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Yes. Obama didn't say he was convicted for leaking -- he said he leaked. Which is true.
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every day my BFF. Penske, leaks next to agents of the republic of Vietnam. That doesn't mean anything was wrong unless there are judges or juries that say it was.
as an aside. Do you cite blogs in your legal briefs?
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07-03-2007, 12:07 AM
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Moderator
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Quote:
Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
every day my BFF. Penske, leaks next to agents of the republic of Vietnam. That doesn't mean anything was wrong unless there are judges or juries that say it was.
as an aside. Do you cite blogs in your legal briefs?
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Can you really pretend that there is nothing wrong, at all, with Penske's bathroom habits? I mean, you gotta watch the credability thing, right?
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07-03-2007, 12:08 AM
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Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Monty Capuletti's gazebo
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Commuted.
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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
He does remain a convicted felon, on probation, and responsible for a criminal fine. The only thing he avoided was actual jail time.
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It's a two part deal.
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07-03-2007, 12:14 AM
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Moderator
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Ty's candidate
Quote:
Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Apart from leaking classified information about Valerie Plame? Or are those childhood head injuries catching up with you?
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Are you fucking high? Do you really think Plame's "outing" that compromised a motherfucking thing about our national security? Because if you do I want $300 of what you're smoking, and I'll fly out to get it.
Valerie Plame was NOBODY. Nothing. This whole thing was a political charade and fucking joke and even the Democrats involved snickered and admitted as much. Political theatre. Now we're seeing the second to last act.
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07-03-2007, 12:18 AM
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Wild Rumpus Facilitator
Join Date: Mar 2003
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Commuted.
Quote:
Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
eta: This shouldn't have been a surprise, but I have to say I'm more annoyed than I thought I'd be.
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I suppose I should be more bothered about this than I am. I'm not really all that disturbed that Scooter won't do time. If I thought jail would have gotten hom to roll on his boss and his boss's boss, then I'd be pissed. But Scooter is probably more of a stand-up guy than Big Pussy. I don't think he'd have flipped.
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07-03-2007, 12:21 AM
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Southern charmer
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: At the Great Altar of Passive Entertainment
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Commuted.
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
The opinions of the defenders of William Jefferson Clinton notwithstanding, perjury is indeed a crime.
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Punishable by what? A fine? Sounds like amnesty to me.
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07-03-2007, 12:22 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Flyover land
Posts: 19,042
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Commuted.
Quote:
Originally posted by taxwonk
I suppose I should be more bothered about this than I am. I'm not really all that disturbed that Scooter won't do time. If I thought jail would have gotten hom to roll on his boss and his boss's boss, then I'd be pissed. But Scooter is probably more of a stand-up guy than Big Pussy. I don't think he'd have flipped.
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I think going by "Scooter" as an adult merits jail time.
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