Fashionistas you have arrived 3-25-03 - 10-3-03

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by paigowprincess I have yet to see major lawsuits over botox threatending someone's life

That's because it's only been clinically approved for nine months. There will be lawsuits. Inject a toxin into someone to kill their nerve cells, and eventually there will be adverse events. It's just a matter of time before the PI lawyers get ahold of botox.

[barely_legal]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
I think the class thing was implicit in the college reference but lets not go there. you apparently are bitter that I think everyone who isnt in the upper crust of the upper crust is a total POS person. Which I don't and I dont know where you are getting that from. but if you want to get personal, take it off the board please. and you never answered the fondue question.

I hav only seen the first two episodes of sorority life this season but caught a great deal of last season where there was one hard partier fwiw, and boy did she catch shit for that. drinking in college! heavents to betsy! i cant remember the girls this season so much but I do recall a fattie in teh sorority who i think was pissed that someone wasnt being nice to her. she probabaly has her own major issues and achieving the unrealistic beauty image ideal proabalby aint one of them.

What was the fondue question? And my "issue" has nothing to do with off the board stuff (if you said the shit you say on this board IRL, then it might) so why would I take it off board? oh, aside from sparing the board the further agony of this line discussion, of course.

By the way if the "upper crust of the upper crust" is what I think it is, I'm pretty proud to be from the lower crust. I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with SD about something, but he is right-on this morning.

[evenodds]

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Can I make something of it?

I'd wager there is a direct correlation b/w the increase of obesity in this country and the increase of eating disorders. The fatter we get, the more attractive (and unique) skinny becomes...

I have noticed that my female friends and I are significantly thinner now in our early 30s than we were in our early 20s because the standards of beauty have changed.

In college, everyone seemed to be from a size 6 to a size 10, with little variance at either end. Now, most of us seem to be a size 2/4 or 10/12, with wild variance, especially at the upper end.

I love watching old movies from the late 80s and how comparatively heavy the lead actresses look. Or reruns of Friends.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by jeezlouise
Yuppo - my first stab at this post vanished into the ether...

In any event, wasn't the big boobie surgery pioneered in the fine Republic of Texas?


j(my man-boobs are all-natural, and bigger than sebby's to boot)l :waggle:

Yep, right here in the medical center. And I'm pretty sure that our very own John O'Quinn is the most successful breast implant paintiff's attorney.

Originally posted by barely_legal
What was the fondue question? And my "issue" has nothing to do with off the board stuff (if you said the shit you say on this board IRL, then it might) so why would I take it off board? oh, aside from sparing the board the further agony of this line discussion, of course.

By the way if the "upper crust of the upper crust" is what I think it is, I'm pretty proud to be from the lower crust. I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with SD about something, but he is right-on this morning.

Crust. mmmm. I am hungry. and yeah, i wanted to spare the board. I sort of have a rule if there is a back and forth between myself and one poster that goes for more than say five posts (ideally lower), it should go off board bc everyone is probably getting annoyed. Of course, I probably dont feel like having the convo off board half the time, depending on the person, but with you, fine. But I am also a fan of dropping it.

The fondue question. Has anything changed since what we discussed last weekend? guess my email is sucking

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Sparklehorse
FWIW, there's a whole slide show of photos and I was referring more to women in the other photographs than the first woman.

Help a brother out. I don't have a subscription and I wants to see the naked but natural breasticles.

TM

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Crust. mmmm. I am hungry. and yeah, i wanted to spare the board. I sort of have a rule if there is a back and forth between myself and one poster that goes for more than say five posts (ideally lower), it should go off board bc everyone is probably getting annoyed. Of course, I probably dont feel like having the convo off board half the time, depending on the person, but with you, fine. But I am also a fan of dropping it.

The fondue question. Has anything changed since what we discussed last weekend? guess my email is sucking

Nice try. You don't get to jump out on procedural grounds. These boards aren't humming with other discussion from which our discussion detracts - reply to the substance. Lets have this nonsense discussion ended once and for all.

S(no deflection - time to ante up)D

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Help a brother out. I don't have a subscription and I wants to see the naked but natural breasticles.

TM

You should be able to get a "day pass" by watching (or ignoring) some ad. Although be careful, I think you have to keep clicking to keep the ad playing, so you can't entirely turn away.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
. . . I think everyone who isnt in the upper crust of the upper crust is a total POS person. Which I don't and I dont know where you are getting that from.

She's likely getting that from your protestations that you don't hate those POS's, and that it's great that they can all aspire to be something more than a POS - that they're not locked into being POS's forever. Just incredibly condescending. Where the fuck is Connetticut anyway?

Just out of curiosity, from whence does your snobbery spring? Is "upper-crust" the rich? Those bred only from the proper anglo-saxon stock? Those with funny eastern accents?

Originally posted by bilmore
She's likely getting that from your protestations that you don't hate those POS's, and that it's great that they can all aspire to be something more than a POS - that they're not locked into being POS's forever. Just incredibly condescending. Where the fuck is Connetticut anyway?

Just out of curiosity, from whence does your snobbery spring? Is "upper-crust" the rich? Those bred only from the proper anglo-saxon stock? Those with funny eastern accents?

Hey Bilmore

Have we met?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Hey Bilmore

Have we met?

I'm waiting. Is your hand that bad?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Hey Bilmore

Have we met?

I assume that you mean that I shouldn't be judging you based on what you write.

Had you written on the subject twice, I would tend to agree with you.

That's not the case here, is it?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by evenodds
I promise you (and the FB) that I will submit my non-enhanced bresticles, if you do it again.

If you can get at least 5 new pledges from regular posters, I will do it.

TM

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Yes. No one in Greenwich ever got a boob job.
:bs:

Of course they get them-- but only up to about a B cup, not the professional whore-sized implants.

Big breasts wreck the lines of their wardrobes--couture's not made for women with big breasts.

[purse junkie]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
What is the big mystery here?

Of course young girls have unrealistic body images. Our beauty ideal is unrealistic. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but every beholder has an opinion about what is perfect. If it's a matter of "the closer to perfect you get, the more beautiful you are," young people (and old people alike) will always have unrealistic body images. And they will always be reaching for what they can't have naturally. Hell, even Hollywood stars don't look the way they are advertised as looking. Surgery, photo manipulation, lighting, etc. helps the most beautiful people in entertainment achieve what we have set up as our ideal. And yes, it is OUR ideal. If it wasn't, people like Heather Graham would be OUT OF WORK. Hollywood doesn't create it. We do. We pay to see the people we think are beautiful.

So, the question is, how do we shift our beauty ideal to something more attainable to the majority of people (including young girls) in this country?

The answer is, you can't. That's why it's the beauty ideal.

If everyone looked like Halle Berry (<sigh>) or Ashley Judd or Julia Roberts or whatever your definition of perfection may be, those looks would be attainable and therefore common. A new beauty ideal would emerge that would be as difficult to attain as the one we have now.

The answer is that people (including these young girls of which you speak) need to deal with it. Sounds harsh, but it's not. How do you deal with it? Parents of kids whose genetic code is set to "ugly" need to stress that what is beautiful to the majority of people and what is held up as an ideal is just that. It's a made-up standard that is unattainable. Help them come to terms with who they are and what about them makes them attractive.

Now, I'm not saying people can't improve themselves. A healthy diet and exercise works for starters. But a firm dose of reality would go a long way for most little girls (boys, adults, etc.).

Thurgreed(if we can accept that not everyone can be brilliant, why is it so hard to accept that not everyone can be beautiful? Shit, yo momma came to terms with both long ago)Marshall

The beauty ideal changes all the time--you can change it, but it has to be collectively. In the meantime, all you can do if diet and exercise doesn't get you there is change your underwear. In the 1920s, flat chests were in (and boyish hips, no indented waist) and full-breasted women bound them flat. By the 1940s, the classic hourglass was in, and women padded up top and nipped in their waists. Major corsets came in with the Dior New Look, an athletic build was in the 80s, anorexic waif crap in the early 90s, and now there's beginning to be a slight backlash to the Skeletor look (as People put it, Lollipop Heads--little stick bodies, huge heads a la Calista Flockhart). Now skinny plus boobs are in so you have to get implants to achieve it w/o adding actual body fat.

It all comes around again. Fashions pass and people get bored.
Either way, the ideal is always unattainable unless your natural bod happens to be in fashion at the time you're young.