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[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Like evolution?

Hank, we've seen yourt little bit of sphistry on evolution before. If you're digging up that old rerun it's time to just kill off the bottle and take a nap for a few days while all your bullshit blows over.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by sgtclub
If I remember where I read it, you'll be the first to know, but for the record, I did not attribute this to Clinton specifically [eta] funny how you made that connection all by yourself.

Nope. You can thank your buddy Hank for helping you out with that one, Club. You know the old expression -- if you lie down with dogs, you come up with fleas.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Hank, we've seen yourt little bit of sphistry on evolution before. If you're digging up that old rerun it's time to just kill off the bottle and take a nap for a few days while all your bullshit blows over.

The fact that you've reproduced (I'll assume this fact for now) actually shows man has overstepped the forces of natural selection.

no offense, but did your wife teach you your mailman's first name?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
The fact that you've reproduced (I'll assume this fact for now) actually shows man has overstepped the forces of natural selection.

no offense, but did your wife teach you your mailman's first name?

I don't know if she was ever that friendly with Stacey. Why do you ask?

[Hank Chinaski]

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[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
most of the blogs in the world, IMHO, have no pretense at being the sort that get cited on this board ...

This may be the funniest thing posted on this board in some months.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
This may be the funniest thing posted on this board in some months.

Heh. I seriously considered nominating this board as "Best Group Blog" at Wampum for a Koufax award, but despite what some might think, we're not left wing enough.

[SlaveNoMore]

Replaced_Texan
Heh. I seriously considered nominating this board as "Best Group Blog" at Wampum for a Koufax award, but despite what some might think, we're not left wing enough.

Is there a cash prize?

If so, "Bush Lied, People Died."

[Tyrone Slothrop]

This article from Monday's NYT gives a detailed look at the way that Ukraine's intelligence services intervened on the reform side, giving advice and warning off Interior Dept. troops. Read it soon before the Times makes you pay for it.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

This article from Reuters suggests that a lot of things are not going well with the effort to train Iraqi security forces, but it closes with a reassuring hint that through improvisation, we've found new ways to meet some of our objectives:

• As Marines work to bridge the gap, they must improvise. For months, they tried in vain to coax largely uneducated guards onto the Internet, a vital training tool. "They wanted no part of it -- until we introduced them to Internet porn. Now we can't get them off the computer," one drill sergeant said.

FB x-post!

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This article from Reuters suggests that a lot of things are not going well with the effort to train Iraqi security forces, but it closes with a reassuring hint that through improvisation, we've found new ways to meet some of our objectives:

• As Marines work to bridge the gap, they must improvise. For months, they tried in vain to coax largely uneducated guards onto the Internet, a vital training tool. "They wanted no part of it -- until we introduced them to Internet porn. Now we can't get them off the computer," one drill sergeant said.

FB x-post!

Holy shit. It's Phase I of sebby's plan for peace in the Middle East.

[Diane_Keaton]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
"They wanted no part of it -- until we introduced them to Internet porn. Now we can't get them off the computer," one drill sergeant said.

Nice that 40% of my bonus check is being used so that antiwomen antisemites in far away countries can cop a good hard on. Fuck. When I have kids the public schools better be really fucking good.

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Adder
Look. It's easy for us to see ourselves as creating hope through liberation. But its just as easy for others to see us as imposing our will through invasion. It remains to be seen what the net effect will be in the long run, and you are clearly more optimistic than I.

Tom Friedman is coming around to my way of thinking, even:

"I believe the tensions between us and the Muslim world stem primarily from the conditions under which many Muslims live, not what we do. I believe free people, living under freely elected governments, with a free press and with economies and education systems that enable their young people to achieve their full potential, don't spend a lot of time thinking about who to hate, who to blame, and who to lash out at. Free countries don't have leaders who use their media and state-owned "intellectuals" to deflect all of their people's anger away from them and onto America.

So I don't want young Muslims to like us. I want them to like and respect themselves, their own countries and their own governments. I want them to have the same luxury to ignore America as young Taiwanese have - because they are too busy focusing on improving their own lives and governance, running for office, studying anything they want or finding good jobs in their own countries."

[bilmore]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
This article from Monday's NYT gives a detailed look at the way that Ukraine's intelligence services intervened on the reform side, giving advice and warning off Interior Dept. troops. Read it soon before the Times makes you pay for it.

The scary part is, this wasn't a democratic uprising for fair elections so much as it was a bloodless coup by the siloviki.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by bilmore
The scary part is, this wasn't a democratic uprising for fair elections so much as it was a bloodless coup by the siloviki.

Correction, I think:

It is a bit troubling that the success of the legal (?) democratic uprising for free elections in Ukraine was only possible because of a corresponding illegal (?) effort by senior elements of the S.B.U. (FBI/CIA) and the Ukrainian Army.

Reminds me a bit of how the Russian special forces refused orders to massacre Yeltsin and his supporters in the Russian White House in 1992(?) -- though this was more a protracted and complex campaign.

I view it not as a coup -- but as counter-coup activity, which ensured that reasonably free elections could be held resulting in about 54% of the population voting for Yuschenko.

This factor -- i.e. the inculcation of democratic values among the senior military/intelligence establishment, or at least a desire to solve internal political problems by means other than mass coercion -- seems like a key step on the road from modern authoritarian government to democracy.

S_A_M