Politics: Where we struggle to kneel in the muck.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Yes. That is the game. If every time you drive, you get an elbow in the mouth and the ref refuses to call it, do you just keep taking elbows to the teeth or elbow back?

What a stupid fucking analogy. If the refs let the Knicks get away with beating up on Jordan, does Jordan quite or does he show the refs by superior skill, brains and athleticism that he should be getting these obvious foul calls?

I don't know why I'm trying to get through to you.

TM

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by dtb
I can't remember who said this (maybe on TDS?), but someone pointed out, "I don't want my president to be the guy I'd like to have a beer with; I want my president to be the designated driver." Rather a nice way of putting it, I thought.

did you vote for Clinton?

[dtb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
did you vote for Clinton?

Which one?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Once again, you miss the point. I think you are convinced that you are good at things that I do not think you're good at. That clear enough for you?

Hell, I'm not angry at people who are good at those things. Good for them. I'm not even angry at you. But you ain't one of them.

If you were, you wouldn't take every opportunity to tell everyone on this board about it, would you? You would know it was obvious to the rest of us.

TM

Actually, no. I wouldn't. I think you'd be surprised if you met me. I can back up everything I say. I'm too gaddamned disogranized to lie.

Nothing is obvious to anyone on these boards. Nothing at all.

The source of my diatribe is having to actually do a lot of legal work, and not liking it. I'm stuck dealing for the past three weeks and I don't like it at all. And this topic led into one of my enternal gripes.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
What a stupid fucking analogy. If the refs let the Knicks get away with beating up on Jordan, does Jordan quite or does he show the refs by superior skill, brains and athleticism that he should be getting these obvious foul calls?

I don't know why I'm trying to get through to you.

TM

Did I suggest he quit? No, my simple suggestion was elbowing back. Yours is just as fine, but how many Jordans are out there? For most of us, the only option is to elbow back.

Kerry is no Jordan.

You gripe a lot about not being able to get thru to lots of people. Did it ever occur to you that its you, not them?

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
What a stupid fucking analogy. If the refs let the Knicks get away with beating up on Jordan, does Jordan quite or does he show the refs by superior skill, brains and athleticism that he should be getting these obvious foul calls?

I don't know why I'm trying to get through to you.

TM

I get what you're saying, but what you mentioned Jordan did just made it a double bad analogy. What Jordan actually did was tell the media he wasn't getting the calls. That is what the Dems are trying.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by dtb
Which one?

Only one of them would consider being a designated driver (albeit a bad one), the other is too self-centered.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Either you are joking or you just proved my point abput the angry left.

Ty took a pass because I think my last little jibe hit too close to home.

This board is a prime example of people compartmentalizing the definition of "win" and missing the bigger picture. Whats a "win" in law? Being the smartest smarty pants with every fact and cite at the ready and appearing the smartest in the room at all times? Of course it is, you risk averse good little lawyer, you. Now, I may be a peacock, and I'm exactly the full of shit salesman you might loathe, but people remember me, and that gets even a young screwhead like me a little bit of business here and there, which the lefty kid sitting in the corner afraid to sound stupid ain't getting. But of course, you'll service whatever business is brought in much better than me. And thats good. For you. But my definition of winning is different than yours. I actually get a much bigger kick out of landing a client than I do in any other endeavor. Its only because I'm bored silly behind a desk that I even write on these boards.

People give money to people based on personality as much as skill. People vote on the same criteria. That may offend you intellectually, but denying it is pretty damn stupid. Stop. Thinking. Like. Such. A. Lawyer.

I took a pass because you were being a fucktard, or douchewit, or something, and these conversations about how 50% of the population are too idealistic are dumb. Here's a news flash: When I come to this board and post, I'm doing it because I enjoy the witty repartee, the exchange of ideas, the rapier thrust and parry -- not to regurgitate someone's talking points to get a Democrat elected. If I wanted to do that, I'd work on a campaign. I understand both Bush and Kerry must occasionally dumb things down to get elected. It's too bad, but there it is. So what am I supposed to feel threatened by, exactly? Sure there are Democrats with their heads up their asses. I'm sure some of them are walking the streets of Philadelphia right now, so why don't you go find them and tell them how dumb they are -- I personally don't feel like defending them, or Michael Moore.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Only one of them would consider being a designated driver (albeit a bad one), the other is too self-centered.

You should be making a Kennedy joke here instead.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You should be making a Kennedy joke here instead.

I don't need help w/ Kennedy- 3 reasons I went that way

1- she said for Prez
2- the 2 Clintons made it humorously ambiguous
3- I refuse to do Teddy K. jokes as a statement of what you all are missing, and what have cost us, with the lost of Penske.

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by bilmore
Says reams about the impression Edwards made as a senator.

Or it shows that Cheney is a lying, conniving sack of shit with the morals of a snake.

(guess which I'm thinking is the right answer)

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Let's fisk what he said:



See US Constitution, Clause 4: The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

This is an undeniable fact. The Constitution further provides for a president pro tempore to preside over the Senate in the absence of the vice president.



I've yet to see this refuted by anyone. Cheney is reportedly quite the hit in the lunchroom



When, golly gee. I cannot imagine why Cheney would be on Capitol Hill when the Senate is in recess.

Then again, Kerry and Edwards don't even show up on Capitol Hill when the Senate is in session.

My goodness, and you accused Clinton of parsing words too carefully. Why, my dear boy, I'm just amazed the Good Lord don't just turn y'all's tongue black and make it fall right off.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by taxwonk
Or it shows that Cheney is a lying, conniving sack of shit with the morals of a snake.

Hi tw, earlier today Ty was explaining how your posts here are thoughtful and not in step with the "crazies."

Does anyone know if Michael Moore ever threatened to kill W?

[taxwonk]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You are right. We should put all this partisan bickering behind us and look for a more likely explanation. It's easy to lose sight of what's really important in an election year, and I would like to reach across the aisle to Vice President Cheney. How is his health? Have his arteries hardened? That could explain all the memory lapses, you know.

Actually, it's the meds.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Something Awful has some fine commentary on last night's debate:

• Dick Cheney, in a strange move, began the debate by demanding fifteen minutes of silence for the late Rodney Dangerfield. This delayed things, especially when John Edwards argued it was a bad move. Cheney called Edwards disrespectful and went ahead with his fifteen minutes of silence alone.
  
• Edwards started off heavy by removing his shirt and asking Cheney to "oil him up." When Cheney refused, Edwards called him a "tease." Edwards, in a candid move, then recited the sacred Green Lantern Oath while bare-chested:
  
  In brightest day, in darkest night,
  No evil shall escape my sight.
  Let those who worship evil's might,
  Beware my power....Green Lantern's Light!
  
• While Edwards went through the debate not wearing a shirt, Cheney wore a T-shirt with a tuxedo design printed on it. He repeatedly juggled oranges and bit his lip when asked difficult questions.
  
• When the discussion turned to homosexual marriage, Edwards snapped a VHS tape out of his jacket. "This video cassette," he said, "contains footage of Dick Cheney's lesbian daughter having lesbian sex. I think the American people have the right to see this video, and I brought a VCR with me." Cheney successfully "yoinked" the video away as a frustrated Edwards struggled to properly hook the RCA cables to the VCR.
  
• Cheney, attempting to prove Edwards incapable of defending this country, shocked everyone with a startling revelation. "How do I know John Edwards can't defend our country?" asked Cheney. "Because I abducted him from his home when he was a child and threw him down a flight of stairs, obviously causing permanent brain damage." Cheney cracked his knuckles and added, "and I could do it again." Edwards was left in tears.
  
• On numerous occasions, Edwards mistakenly referred to the moderator as "your honor" and Dick Cheney as "the defendant." On the flipside, Dick Cheney repeatedly invoked the name "Adolf Saddam bin Laden Noriega" in a possibly calculated attempt to spark fear in the hearts of cowardly Americans and further link bin Laden with Hussein and other evil men.
  
• Cheney lost some credibility by countering Halliburton accusations with, "the nonpartisan website Sexbarn.org has all the information discrediting those rumors." Actually, Sexbarn.org turned partisan about the same time they added the alpaca gallery and video section.
  
• Edwards did not hesitate to bring up Halliburton at every opportunity. Cheney finally countered by giving Edwards a coupon book offering valuable discounts on Halliburton brand merchandise.
  
• Both candidates struggled with Gwen's question, "if you could be any flavor of ice cream in the whole wide world, what flavor would you be?"
  
• Cheney began multiple rebuttals with, "I don't know where to begin." While he was attempting to convey that he was overwhelmed by inaccuracies, it came off sounding more desperate. Edwards preferred to start his rebuttals with, "the reason for that burning flesh smell is that my opponent is ablaze in the flames of his own filthy lies."
  
• In an effort to prove how strong he was, Cheney injected a syringe full of heroin into his heart. He finished the debate spitting and oozing blood from of his mouth.
  
• When told not to mention John Kerry's name in his response, Edwards mentioned it twice. Legend has it that if you say John Kerry's name three times, he will appear and kill you with his hook hand. Gwen scolded Edwards for trying to invoke evil spirits.
  
• In his closing statement, Edwards thanked Gwen and the vice president. In Cheney's closing statement, he thanked Gwen and snubbed Edwards. This showing of contempt had an obvious effect on Edwards, who was visibly shaken. For the first time he learned just how hallow politics truly were and undoubtedly lost all faith in American democracy.
  
  Meanwhile, in a remote cabin, Peter Camejo declared himself the winner of a debate he had with two effigies he built in his garage.