Politics As Usual - Page 109

Not Me · 06-07-2004, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
[Sincere question, no political motivation whatsoever]I heard on the news this morning that the last State Funeral for a President was LBJ in 1973, and I imagine the disgrace / resignation from office is why Nixon didn't get one.

1.) Have no other US Presidents died between 1973 and Saturday?

2.) If there were US Presidents that died in that time period, why didn't they get State Funerals?

3.) What entitles you to a state funeral? What do I have to do? [resume political bickering and inuendo]

Nixon was entitled to a state funeral, but his family declined it. They thought it would cause controversy and they didn't want to deal with it. They chose to skip the state funeral and have only a private ceremony.

Other than Nixon, no other presidents have died since LBJ. Carter, Ford, GB 41, GB 43, and Clinton are all still alive. I am sure that you know what happened to JFK and the others before him were all dead before 1973.

Replaced_Texan · 06-07-2004, 01:18 PM

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Well, Nixon's the only one to die since (Ford, Carter, Bush, Clinton are still alive).

Dunno if it's automatic (I assume it is), but if you still have friends in political power, you're getting one. Suffice to say, the presidency and both houses of Congress weren't going to say "nope, not for this one" on Reagan.

I'm vaguely recalling that Thurgood Marshall got a state funeral. Other S. Ct. Justices? Members of Congress?

Replaced_Texan · 06-07-2004, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
Nixon was entitled to a state funeral, but his family declined it. They thought it would cause controversy and they didn't want to deal with it. They chose to skip the state funeral and have only a private ceremony.

Ah, ok. Thanks. That clears that up.

Tyrone Slothrop · 06-07-2004, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Not Me
Nixon was entitled to a state funeral, but his family declined it. They thought it would cause controversy and they didn't want to deal with it. They chose to skip the state funeral and have only a private ceremony.

There would have been those awkward questions about the alert man with a stake positioned next to the coffin.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) · 06-07-2004, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
There would have been those awkward questions about the alert man with a stake positioned next to the coffin.

Easy--He's French.

etf missing word in my original post -- t.s.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 06-07-2004, 01:25 PM

The warning: "All compounds, bases and means of transport, especially Western and American airlines, will be a direct target for our coming operations in the near future," said the statement, posted on a pro-al Qaeda site on the Internet.

Can anyone tell me why in the world they feel the need to warn people? Isn't this like telling your opponent which play you're going to call in Tecmo Bowl II?

Unless they're running the Bear's Cap Bozo play. Then were all in big trouble.

Tyrone Slothrop · 06-07-2004, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Can anyone tell me why in the world they feel the need to warn people? Isn't this like telling your opponent which play you're going to call in Tecmo Bowl II?

They're trying to terrorize, not just to kill people.

ltl/fb · 06-07-2004, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
The warning: "All compounds, bases and means of transport, especially Western and American airlines, will be a direct target for our coming operations in the near future," said the statement, posted on a pro-al Qaeda site on the Internet.

Can anyone tell me why in the world they feel the need to warn people? Isn't this like telling your opponent which play you're going to call in Tecmo Bowl II?

Unless they're running the Bear's Cap Bozo play. Then were all in big trouble.

I think it's a secret plot to drive all airlines into financial ruin. Or drive them further in.

Not Me · 06-07-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Ah, ok. Thanks. That clears that up.

I am not sure but I think that the President is the one who has the authority to order a state funeral. I don't think there are any rules about who the prez can and cannot authorize one for, but I could be wrong.

Atticus Grinch · 06-07-2004, 01:34 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
The second problem (and Atticus's point, if I may speak for him) is that it leads one to believe one is above the law. I have no doubt that those responsible for selling arms to Iran and then diverting the proceeds to support the Contras believe that they acted with absolute moral authority. This disturbs me, because by doing so that acted in direct contravention not just to general laws, but specific laws drawn to specifically prohibit such actions. It apparently disturbs many Republicans less.

I'm hoping the next generation of chat board technology will permit us all to pass over my original garbled post on each topic and go directly to balt's better explanation of it.

Did you just call me Coltrane? · 06-07-2004, 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
They're trying to terrorize, not just to kill people.

Right.

Well, Gruden kicked the shit out of Callahan b/c he had his playbook...

sgtclub · 06-07-2004, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
The warning: "All compounds, bases and means of transport, especially Western and American airlines, will be a direct target for our coming operations in the near future," said the statement, posted on a pro-al Qaeda site on the Internet.

Can anyone tell me why in the world they feel the need to warn people? Isn't this like telling your opponent which play you're going to call in Tecmo Bowl II?

Unless they're running the Bear's Cap Bozo play. Then were all in big trouble.

The proferred reason was a propaganda campaign - they said they were warning muslims to stay away from infidels for their safety.

06-07-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
The warning: "All compounds, bases and means of transport, especially Western and American airlines, will be a direct target for our coming operations in the near future," said the statement, posted on a pro-al Qaeda site on the Internet.

Oh shit. All our base are belong to them.

Tyrone Slothrop · 06-07-2004, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Right.

Well, Gruden kicked the shit out of Callahan b/c he had his playbook...

For those of us in the Bay Area, the analogy between terrorism and that Super Bowl is an apt one.

spookyfish · 06-07-2004, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
[Sincere question, no political motivation whatsoever]I heard on the news this morning that the last State Funeral for a President was LBJ in 1973, and I imagine the disgrace / resignation from office is why Nixon didn't get one.

1.) Have no other US Presidents died between 1973 and Saturday?

2.) If there were US Presidents that died in that time period, why didn't they get State Funerals?

3.) What entitles you to a state funeral? What do I have to do? [resume political bickering and inuendo]

Burger already answered 1 & 2, I believe. As to your third question, I read about it this morning. Apparently State Funerals are available for Presidents, President-Elects and Former Presidents. I think it is a matter of the person's/family's choice as to whether they take it. I seem to remember the article saying there were State Funerals for Lincoln, Kennedy, Garfield and McKinley, so apparently that option isn't one taken frequently. I'll try to find the article.

Okay, I misremembered part of the article, but here's a link to essentially the same thing I saw on the subject.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,121947,00.html

(You're welcome, Hank.)