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Penske_Account · 10-14-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
The essential validity of that point is drowned in the hyperbole in which it is stated. There was no seperate thing called "Christianity" for probably 150 years or so after the death (or not-death, natch) of the man who came to be called Jesus.

However, the Jesus-cult was probably coequal with the other Jewish political parties of first century Judea by about 135 C.E. --- so you would talk about the Essenes, the Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Jesus Party (using whatever term was then used) as being movements within Judaism. The destruction of the temple in 70 C.E. pretty much ended the Sadducees, who had been dominant to that point, and the defeat of the Bar-Kokhba Revolt in 135 probably catapulted the Jesus Party to a position of equality in the now-underground Jewish religion.

The fact that the Council of Jerusalem allowed the Jesus Party to recruit members without requiring adherence to dietary laws or circumcision (which was a taboo form of human mutilation among the Hellenistic residents of the Mediterranean region) gave the Jesus Movement a recruiting edge over other sects within Judaism. The foremost surviving competitor, Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism, was thus the target of the Jesus Movement's ire, and explains the latent or patent anti-Semitism of the early Christian church, where "Pharisee" is a synonym for "any non-Christian Jew." Combine this with the Jesus Movement's whacked-out millenial worldview saying that holy justice was imminent, and you have a recipe for success for the chaotic times to come within the Roman Empire. Around the same time, Pharisaic/Rabbinic Judaism made the choice to go toward a matrilineal ethnic identity, and away from any kind of proselytization, which made recruiting difficult.

There was a thing called Christianity then, but it looked too much like any other form of then-existing Judaism to consider it a Church.

FWIW, I doubt if Jesus would have thrown a 72 year old man to the ground.

Sparklehorse · 10-14-2003, 03:24 PM

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Does anyone here just refuse to go to movie theaters for any reason?
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I don't understand going to movies on dates. Even though I no longer date, I very rarely see movies in the theater. I think this is because I see this as non-social behavior (like something I do when I am hung-over or sick).

I think the not-talking is exactly why some people like it. You get to say you spent time together on a date but you don't have to sweat which of you will utter or do the deal-breaker. And if you go out for drinks or dinner after, you have a new topic for conversation.

Of course, this can backfire. I went out to a movie with a guy on a second date a while back. He had a weird reaction to the movie that turned into a Rorschach about his view of relationships which was very different than mine. We did go out one more time but the deal was effectively broken over that movie.

leagleaze · 10-14-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by barely_legal
crazy boyfriend shit

I think you should date less quirky men.

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-14-2003, 03:24 PM

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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Someone (Bob Ryan?) writing in the Boston Globe the past few days pointed out that the Red Sox always let their stars get away with too much. Right now it's Pedro and Manny, but it used to be Roger. He had to leave the team to get a grip. To the extent that he has a grip now.

Well, Ty Cobb never played for Boston, but that may be right. Clemens got away with murder everywhere he went (including NY) and I was embarassed when he beaned Piazza and threw the bat at him later on. His explanations were pure bullshit.

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Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Can I ask, what the hell was the Gerbil thinking? What was he going to do with Pedro once he got him?

I do not know. I think he had a flashback to when he got beaned and thought he was momentarily 50 years younger. It was stupid as hell. If he would have fallen on Pedro's ankle and hurt him somehow, it would have been a disaster. For the Yankees, Sox and baseball. But at least he seems genuinely sorry he did it.

TM

NotFromHere · 10-14-2003, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
You ran Randy, Junior and ARod out of town. Edgar is retiring. And now you badmouth Nelson. No wonder Seattle is a suck baseball town.

Yeah, losing Junior - what a huge loss that was. Cincinnati can have him.
And A-Rod - yeah well how many playoffs has he been in since he's left?
Randy? Retirement.

Gattigap · 10-14-2003, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
That makes sense. So, under your theory, the Wolverines (UofM Stadium seating capacity: 107,501) have poor attendance when compared to Wrigley (39,000) if they fill 95% of their stadium and Wrigley sells out?

TM

No, under that theory, they'd both be good, but Wrigley would be slightly better because they filled the house.

Percent of capacity is not an unreasonable way to measure fan interest/devotion within a sport*. Otherwise, the default will almost always go to the biggest freakin' venue in the largest city. "Leading in attendance," without more, tells you nothing.

Gattigap

*Provided, of course, that you're comparing apples to apples, and not doing something stupid like comparing college football stadiums to professional baseball stadiums.

barely_legal · 10-14-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by purse junkie
You're not head over heels in lust with the guy, and he's already made it clear he has no desire to ever do something you like to do with the guys you date.

If you can't be happy going to the movies with your friends the rest of your life instead, and unless you are really attached to this guy already, why not cut your losses and bail?

um, because he's hot? and dating him is making the other guy I'm dating really jealous?

How long is it ok to date someone who is really boring but really hot? I don't mind having sex with stupid people, but I'm having trouble picturing myself having sex with this hot boring guy. And I kind of feel guilty that he keeps taking me out and spending money on me with the expectation (I assume) that I might eventually want to sleep with him. But he's really really hot.

Oh, he doesn't drink either. Fuck, I really do need to dump him. I don't usually snare really hot guys, so this is going to be tough for me.

Bad_Rich_Chic · 10-14-2003, 03:32 PM

I think (?) I or someone posted the underlying article - a re-think from the author:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2089756/ [contains a link to the original column, too.]

Articles like these things are the reason I still bother to read Slate. Their news and politics analysis is usually pretty idiotic, but they sometimes find weird interesting topics and do a (usually pretty sensible) little write up on them. They're willing to take an idea and just noodle around with it. Anyhow, I've found this one interesting.

Not Bob · 10-14-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
I've heard this. Do you really believe that Roger stops pitching the chin music if he has to go up to bat? Or do you think that more pitchers get hit? Or do you think he just saves it for the 6th or 7th inning?

No, they pitch inside and send messages in the NL, too. But there's less of the "I am in a fit of pique, so I will plunk you" (hi Pedro!) pitching there. If Roger had to bat, he'd still throw the occasional barber pitch. But he would think about it more, and reserve it for when the return favor would be worth it.

purse junkie · 10-14-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
He wasn't a fan. He was an employee paid to keep his fucking mouth shut and do his job shoveling dirt. Not get involved in the psyche of the game by having access to the opposing team [that no "fan" has].

I cannot believe some of you people.

And they were being paid to play catch and not endanger their team's playoff chances by slicing their incredibly high-paid hands open on somebody's face over a stupid taunt. Who gives a shit who made it? A hundred fans screaming epithets were maybe two feet farther away from these guys than the groundskeeper; that's the distance it takes to turn a man into a squalling flailing two-year-old?

taxwonk · 10-14-2003, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Covering one's head as a general sign of respect to the other participants in the religious service, rather like asking them not to dress like sluts for services, is fine. Asking people to cover their heads as a sign of acknowledgement of or subjection to a God they do not worship is not. The respect owed by the visitor is to the worshippers, not their God.

There is only one God. The difference in denominations and faiths is all ritual.

Tax(sick of fucking baseball so I'm starting a religious war)wonk

taxwonk · 10-14-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by The Daintiest Petunia
Hi everyone! Long time lurker. First time poster. I used to follow along back on that other board (the name of which we shall not speak here!!!

), but then everyone left! Anyway, it took me a while to find you guys here, but I finally did. I have been lurking here for a while. I saw a few other newbers get flamed to high heaven when they jumped in too quickly and I certainly did not want to make that mistake!!!!! With that in mind, I am not going to say too much. I know I'll probably get a few flames anyway. I look forward to the initiation!!!! But for now, I'll take the cocktail party advice. Although, honestly, I don't get invited to all that many cocktail parties. But that's O.K., 'cuz I get the feeling that not too many of you all do either!!! :laugh: UH OH!!! I have a feeling my nether regions are going to get a little singed for that one. Well, flame away, my greedy brethren!!! I can take it (I hope...........)

The Daintiest Petunia

Shut up and post a picture of your tits.

Penske_Account · 10-14-2003, 03:37 PM

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Originally posted by NotFromHere
Yeah, losing Junior - what a huge loss that was. Cincinnati can have him.
And A-Rod - yeah well how many playoffs has he been in since he's left?
Randy? Retirement.

PLus all y'all gots Pensky now!

-the other longtime lurking sock

ThurgreedMarshall · 10-14-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by Sparklehorse
I went out to a movie with a guy on a second date a while back. He had a weird reaction to the movie that turned into a Rorschach about his view of relationships which was very different than mine. We did go out one more time but the deal was effectively broken over that movie.

Translation: The last guy that dumped me hated Titanic.

TM

greatwhitenorthchick · 10-14-2003, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by barely_legal
um, because he's hot? and dating him is making the other guy I'm dating really jealous?

How long is it ok to date someone who is really boring but really hot? I don't mind having sex with stupid people, but I'm having trouble picturing myself having sex with this hot boring guy. And I kind of feel guilty that he keeps taking me out and spending money on me with the expectation (I assume) that I might eventually want to sleep with him. But he's really really hot.

Oh, he doesn't drink either. Fuck, I really do need to dump him. I don't usually snare really hot guys, so this is going to be tough for me.

why don't you just find out what it is like. Hold your nose and take the plunge. You won't feel guilty any more and you'll find out valuable information.