Waiting for Fitzgerald

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by baltassoc
Mental Olestra?

Whiff!

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
I like to think of myself as a firm believer in the separation of Church and State. However, I don't really get the whole removing the rock thing. My issue is that I don't want the bible to be considered a controlling opinion in a legal case. However, it could be used as dicta just like Justininians code is. In addition, I don't want the gov. giving any money to support a church. Paying a church to help the poor I don't mind so much.

But having historical legal codes on display in a court house just does not seem like a big issue to me. What if the Magna Carta was in the court house? Or Justinians Code? Or Hammurabi's code? People misquote the ten commandments all the time. It would be nice if they were around more so people would know what they are talking about.

Am I wrong? Is this a big violation of church and state?

You are right, this is the dumbing down of our nation's moral core and cultural history by the left.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
You are right, this is the dumbing down of our nation's moral core and cultural history by the left.

Penske, I'm glad that you agree with Roy. The man is truly your soulmate.

From the Atlantic article:

• He went into an attack on his ideological opponents, his voice rising in anger. "Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and government!" he said, and was stopped by applause. As Moore continued, his face became stern and then angry, and his voice was a roar. "'Be ye horribly afraid,'" he thundered, quoting from the second chapter of Jeremiah, "'for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.' Our schools, our political institutions, are not holding water today, because we've tried to construct them without God! We've been deceived by a government that tells us we cannot worship God—contradictory to history, contradictory to law, and contradictory to logic. And we bow down. Shall we bow down?" Cries of "No!" cascaded from the rafters.
  
  Then Moore downshifted, his voice growing solemn once more, and he demonstrated another rhetorical flourish common to the Founding Fathers: he shared his poetry.
  
  "We're fighting wars all over this globe, it sometimes seems," he said. "We're fighting one in Iraq today." A beatific smile came over his face.
  
  "And we face another war
  Fought not upon some distant shore,
  Nor against a foe that you can see,
  But one as ruthless as can be.
  It will take your life and your children too,
  And say there's nothing you can do.
  It will make you think that wrong is right,
  Is but a sign to stand and fight.
  And though we face the wrath of Hell,
  Against those gates we shall prevail.
  In homes in schools across our land,
  It's time for Christians to take a stand,
  And when our work on this earth is done,
  And the battle is over and the victory is won,
  When through all the earth His praise will ring,
  And all the heavenly angels sing,
  It will be enough just to see His son,
  And hear him say 'My child, well done.
  'You've kept my faith so strong and true,
  'I knew that I could count on you.'"
  
  As he finished, the crowd rose to its feet and broke into a chorus of "God Bless America."

We'll look for you in Mobile, Penske. Remember to wear your little babyjesus pin.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Spanky
I like to think of myself as a firm believer in the separation of Church and State. However, I don't really get the whole removing the rock thing. My issue is that I don't want the bible to be considered a controlling opinion in a legal case. However, it could be used as dicta just like Justininians code is. In addition, I don't want the gov. giving any money to support a church. Paying a church to help the poor I don't mind so much.

But having historical legal codes on display in a court house just does not seem like a big issue to me. What if the Magna Carta was in the court house? Or Justinians Code? Or Hammurabi's code? People misquote the ten commandments all the time. It would be nice if they were around more so people would know what they are talking about.

Am I wrong? Is this a big violation of church and state?

Yes, you are, and yes, it is.


The Ten Commandments is not a "historical legal code." It is religious doctrine. I realize Repubs get confused on this.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Jesus Christ, this fucking administration thinks that the fucking military is the solution to all of our fucking problems. Did he even bother to ask the epidemeologists at the CDC how, oh, I don't know, to control epidemics? Is the military the only part of the government that they're comfortable using?

Well, after the job they've done in Iraq, can you blame the Admin for feeling that way?

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I thought A Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction.

ETA: summary of objectional parts of the law if you don't want to wade through the bill

If you have to be married to be a mother, are they going to force you to have an abortion if you are single or get divorced?

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Penske, I'm glad that you agree with Roy. The man is truly your soulmate.

From the Atlantic article:

• He went into an attack on his ideological opponents, his voice rising in anger. "Separation of church and state does not mean separation of God and government!" he said, and was stopped by applause. As Moore continued, his face became stern and then angry, and his voice was a roar. "'Be ye horribly afraid,'" he thundered, quoting from the second chapter of Jeremiah, "'for my people have committed two evils: they have forsaken Me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.' Our schools, our political institutions, are not holding water today, because we've tried to construct them without God! We've been deceived by a government that tells us we cannot worship God—contradictory to history, contradictory to law, and contradictory to logic. And we bow down. Shall we bow down?" Cries of "No!" cascaded from the rafters.
  
  Then Moore downshifted, his voice growing solemn once more, and he demonstrated another rhetorical flourish common to the Founding Fathers: he shared his poetry.
  
  "We're fighting wars all over this globe, it sometimes seems," he said. "We're fighting one in Iraq today." A beatific smile came over his face.
  
  "And we face another war
  Fought not upon some distant shore,
  Nor against a foe that you can see,
  But one as ruthless as can be.
  It will take your life and your children too,
  And say there's nothing you can do.
  It will make you think that wrong is right,
  Is but a sign to stand and fight.
  And though we face the wrath of Hell,
  Against those gates we shall prevail.
  In homes in schools across our land,
  It's time for Christians to take a stand,
  And when our work on this earth is done,
  And the battle is over and the victory is won,
  When through all the earth His praise will ring,
  And all the heavenly angels sing,
  It will be enough just to see His son,
  And hear him say 'My child, well done.
  'You've kept my faith so strong and true,
  'I knew that I could count on you.'"
  
  As he finished, the crowd rose to its feet and broke into a chorus of "God Bless America."

We'll look for you in Mobile, Penske. Remember to wear your little babyjesus pin.

I'm a Yankee. I don't go to south, but I respect their cultural integrity, as long as they keep it to themselves.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Yes, you are, and yes, it is.


The Ten Commandments is not a "historical legal code." It is religious doctrine. I realize Repubs get confused on this.

And our laws and culture are not in part based on that "doctrine"?

Surely our monetary system is, or at least a trust in the leadership behind that doctrine.

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I thought A Handmaid's Tale was supposed to be fiction.

ETA: summary of objectional parts of the law if you don't want to wade through the bill

That can't be right, can it? Pregnancy other than by intercourse? What are they going to do - inspect all the turkey basters? That makes no sense? And if they do determine you've done the turkey baster, is it a fine?

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I'm a Yankee. I don't go to south, but I respect their cultural integrity, as long as they keep it to themselves.

Too late, Penske. Smilin' Roy has a Plan. A Plan to bring Alabama-style christianity even to your corner of hippy-dippie coffee-drinkin' Seattle.

Personally, I think we can thank your babyjesus for a small part of this.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
And our laws and culture are not in part based on that "doctrine"?

Surely our monetary system is, or at least a trust in the leadership behind that doctrine.

Our currency does, indeed, say "In God We Trust."

That may explain why judges are generally not supposed to decide cases by flipping a coin.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Our currency does, indeed, say "In God We Trust."

That may explain why judges are generally not supposed to decide cases by flipping a coin.

I think it also explains the faith-based fiscal policies of this administration.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think it also explains the faith-based fiscal policies of this administration.

Damn! You win.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Gattigap
Too late, Penske. Smilin' Roy has a Plan. A Plan to bring Alabama-style christianity even to your corner of hippy-dippie coffee-drinkin' Seattle.

Personally, I think we can thank your babyjesus for a small part of this.

Dissent. My assumption is, before that happens (and within the current century), the USA will break apart, into smaller regional parts, with some loose confederation based on a common monetary system and defence et al, which I tend to view as a good thing. It is an appropriate solution to the growing cultural disparities.

Although, as I have stated, at some point I will probably renounce my citisenship and move back to the native lands of my ancestors, assuming that the Islamics have not conquered the same.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I think it also explains the faith-based fiscal policies of this administration.

I would respond with a flame, but given that I know that you anonymously donated the money that Bush's tax cuts netted you back to the Fed Gov't to help reduce the deficit, on principle, my hands are tied.