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Old 08-11-2004, 05:40 PM   #1711
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John Kerry, lifesaver

Prediction: Republican Senators who served with Kerry in the Senate will shortly be running attack ads saying that this is bogus. McCain will denounce them.
  • Former U.S. Sen. Chic Hecht of Nevada is a staunch Republican, but he thanks his lucky stars for Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts.

    On July 12, 1988, Hecht was attending a weekly Republican luncheon when a piece of apple lodged firmly in his throat.

    Hecht stumbled out of the room, thinking he might vomit but not wanting to do it in front of his colleagues. Sen. Kit Bond, R-Mo., thumped his back, but Hecht quickly passed out in the hallway.

    Just then, Kerry stepped off an elevator, rushed to Hecht's side and gave him the Heimlich maneuver -- four times.

    The lifesaving incident made international news, and Dr. Henry Heimlich, who invented the maneuver in 1974, called Hecht to say that had Kerry intervened just 30 seconds later Hecht might have been in a vegetative state for life.

    "This man gave me my life," the 75-year-old Hecht said Thursday.

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Old 08-11-2004, 05:49 PM   #1712
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Just then, Kerry stepped off an elevator, rushed to Hecht's side and gave him the Heimlich maneuver -- four times.
Tyrone, if we've descended to the level of advertising JFK's Heimlich experience, then we need to bring out those pictures of him playing with puppies and kittens, too.

I'm just frustrated that he doesn't start talking about his Senate years, so he can convince people that the "most liberal" thing is a canard. As it is, he's conceding way too much by responding instead of presenting. "I'm not Bush" is good in its own right, but "I'm Kerry" can also be a good thing.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:03 PM   #1713
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A voter in Louisiana is filing a legal challenge to defective Congressman Rodney Alexander's ballot qualification, and seeks an injunction preventing the Secretary of State from issuing ballots printed with his name. The petition, filed by a voter and based on both Louisiana statute and prior precedent, rightly argues that Alexander's SECOND filing 20 minutes before the deadline is in effect a withdrawal of his candidacy under Louisiana law since candidates are prohibited from amending their ballot qualification in any way once it has been made. Others in Louisiana have been tossed for just this kind of behavior in the past. Look for a news releases from multiple parties soon...
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:10 PM   #1714
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I haven't seen Kerry back away from it.
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But today, on Fox News' "Fox and Friends," Kerry Campaign Advisor Jeh Johnson had this to say to the show's co-host Brian Kilmeade:
JOHNSON: John Kerry has said on the record that he had a mistaken recollection earlier. He talked about a combat situation on Christmas Eve 1968 which at one point he said occurred in Cambodia. He has since corrected the recorded to say it was some place on a river near Cambodia and he is certain that at some point subsequent to that he was in Cambodia. My understanding is that he is not certain about that date.

KILMEADE: I think the term was he had a searing memory of spending Christmas - back in 1986 in the senate floor in Cambodia.

JOHNSON: I believe he has corrected the record to say it was some place near Cambodia he is not certain whether it was in Cambodia but he is certain there was some point subsequent to that that he was in Cambodia.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:16 PM   #1715
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You're busting his ass because he was near Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968, and later in Cambodia, and made the mistake of saying that he was in Cambodia that day. OK.

You guys had better keep beating the drum on this one. I think you're convincing a lot of swing voters -- keep it up.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:16 PM   #1716
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"I believe Jean Cocteau said it best: 'It's not the fear that one might fall; it's the fear that one might, in an unguarded moment, suddenly leap.'"
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:19 PM   #1717
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You're busting his ass because he was near Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968, and later in Cambodia, and made the mistake of saying that he was in Cambodia that day. OK.
Holiday In Cambodia

So you been to school for a year or two
And you know you've seen it all
In daddy's car thinkin' you'll go far
Back east your type don't crawl
Play ethnicky jazz to parade your snazz
On your five grand stereo
Braggin that you know how the niggers feel cold
And the slums got so much soul

It's time to taste what you most fear
Right Guard will not help you here
Brace yourself, my dear

It's a holiday in Cambodia
It's tough kid, but it's life
It's a holiday in Cambodia
Don't forget to pack a wife

Your a star-belly sneech you suck like a leech
You want everyone to act like you
Kiss ass while you bitch so you can get rich
But your boss gets richer on you
Well you'll work harder with a gun in your back
For a bowl of rice a day
Slave for soldiers til you starve
Then your head skewered on a stake
Now you can go where people are one
Now you can go where they get things done
What you need my son:

Is a holiday in Cambodia
Where people dress in black
A holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll kiss ass or crack

Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot, Pol Pot [etc.]

And it's a holiday in Cambodia
Where you'll do what you're told
A holiday in Cambodia
Where the slums got so much soul

I Fought the Law (and I Won)
Drinkin' beer in the hot sun
I fought the law and I won

I needed sex and I got mine
I fought the law and I won

The law don't mean shit if you've got the right friends
That's how the country's run
Twinkies are the best friend I've ever had
I fought the law
And I won

I blew George & Harvey's brains out with my six-gun
I fought the law and I won

Gonna write my book and make a million
I fought the law and I won

I'm the new folk hero of the Ku Klux Klan
My cop friends think that's fine
You can get away with murder if you've got a badge
I fought the law
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I am the law
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:21 PM   #1718
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You're busting his ass because he was near Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968, and later in Cambodia, and made the mistake of saying that he was in Cambodia that day. OK.

You guys had better keep beating the drum on this one. I think you're convincing a lot of swing voters -- keep it up.
Um, no. Seriously, are you fucking kidding?

His whole point was based on the fact that HE - John Kerry, War Hero - was in a country he wasn't supposed to be in, being shot at by people who weren't supposed to be shooting at him, under the orders of a - in his estimation - bad President.

So, the Senate floor statement is a bald-faced lie to its core. The date/time is relevant to the entire feeling he was trying to convey.

That it also happened on Johnson's - not Nixon's - watch, further discredits his entire statement.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:24 PM   #1719
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You're busting his ass because he was near Cambodia on Christmas Eve, 1968, and later in Cambodia, and made the mistake of saying that he was in Cambodia that day. OK.

You guys had better keep beating the drum on this one. I think you're convincing a lot of swing voters -- keep it up.
numbskull. do you understand the meaning of the word credibility? it applies both to you and your little JFK. As to you, 3 posts ago you said the campaign was silent, but that bilmore had interpreted silence as an admission. I show you the admission, now you're saying it doesn't matter (which I have been saying anyway). The statements the campaign makes aren't that he was anywhere in particular at any particular time, but "he is sure" he was in Cambodia at some point. That sounds like a hedge in case there is some other proof next week.

Like say if I said I was in SF at Christmas. then you show I wasn't because I was at my mom's. I might then say "Well I have been in SF, " which is a positive statement. On the other hand if I say "I'm sure I was in SF" it leaves open the possibility that maybe i wasn't and am confused by being cruised by 3 men in some southern town. I know you know this and you're just exercising your chops on loser arguments, but still you should be concerned about credibility.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:25 PM   #1720
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A voter in Louisiana is filing a legal challenge to defective Congressman Rodney Alexander's ballot qualification
I like the subtlety of referring to a party-jumper as a "defective" Congressman.
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This just gets worse and worse. How can he back away from this? Did he forget the line in the newspaper article that directly preceded the line in question?

"On more than one occasion, I, like Martin Sheen in "Apocalypse Now," took my patrol boat into Cambodia."

(It comes from this ( http://instapundit.com/images/kerryheraldfull.jpg ) article. )

He needs to be doing far better at keeping track of what he says. How can you explain "near Cambodia" when the statement he made to the Senate was like this:



It just doesn't track at all. Cambodia was the whole POINT of his testimony.

This isn't getting easier to defend.
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:26 PM   #1722
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Old 08-11-2004, 06:29 PM   #1723
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Um, no. Seriously, are you fucking kidding?

His whole point was based on the fact that HE - John Kerry, War Hero - was in a country he wasn't supposed to be in, being shot at by people who weren't supposed to be shooting at him, under the orders of a - in his estimation - bad President.

So, the Senate floor statement is a bald-faced lie to its core. The date/time is relevant to the entire feeling he was trying to convey.

That it also happened on Johnson's - not Nixon's - watch, further discredits his entire statement.
If all he got wrong is the date, then nothing you say makes any sense. Particularly your last sentence, since the original statements referred to a period when Johnson was still in office, and if he was actually there later, Nixon might well have been in office (i.e., 1/69 and thereafter).
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This just gets worse and worse. How can he back away from this? Did he forget the line in the newspaper article that directly preceded the line in question?
Get ahold of yourself. According to Hank's source, his staffer said "I believe he has corrected the record to say it was some place near Cambodia he is not certain whether it was in Cambodia but he is certain there was some point subsequent to that that he was in Cambodia."

So the date was wrong. BFD. It's about as big a story as Bush telling Putin he played varsity rugby, which is to say: very, very small.

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Bilmore said it last night -- bitchslap him for me. I only asked you guys what Drum was missing, and that's what he said.

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That sounds like a hedge in case there is some other proof next week.
I think I know where I was on Christmas Eve, 1968, but I sure don't remember it with any precision. BFD.

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Old 08-11-2004, 06:42 PM   #1725
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According to Hank's source
It's a news show for god's sakes. Ty, you do understand that different sources have different levels of credibility don't you? [I wasn't questioning it, just pointing out it was what you were talking about. Jeez. -- T.S.]

Like when you write legal briefs, do you equate Supreme Court precedent with your bloggers' opinions?
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