The babyjesuschristsuperstar on Board: filling the moral void of Clinton’s legacy

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Judges drew the maps in Texas in 2001. Their basis: the maps drawn in 1991 by Democrats. Judges try to preserve the status quo as much as possible.

I don't necessarily see that as a partisan move. Once people get used to the lines they should stay the same as much as possible.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Looks like this isn't going to be an academic question.

My sister is a therapist and sometimes works with Gang kids. I passed a long letter from her (and a bunch of letters from former gang members saying how tookies influence got them to stop "banging") to the Governator. I really think she thought she could change his mind. We share the same last name and she also was under the delusion that, because of my work, that name meant something.

She is really going to be upset. I am also sure she will be there tonight holding a candle.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Spanky
My sister is a therapist and sometimes works with Gang kids. I passed a long letter from her (and a bunch of letters from former gang members saying how tookies influence got them to stop "banging") to the Governator. I really think she thought she could change his mind. We share the same last name and she also was under the delusion that, because of my work, that name meant something.

She is really going to be upset. I am also sure she will be there tonight holding a candle.

Most of the reports I've heard and read about him have to do with his reform since he's been on death row: the children's books, the anti-gang advocacy, his writings, ect. I've heard some discussion on the murder that he is going to be executed for, but it's unclear to me how much dispute there is on whether or not he committed the crime. My understanding is that he's always maintained his innocence, but he's also an admitted former gang member and the founder of the Crips. It sort of stretches my credulity that he didn't do Bad Things before he reformed.

Was request for clemency mainly on the grounds that he sounds like not only a reformed person, but a good person who is an actual asset to the community, or was it based on flaws/new facts in the murder trial?

And in a general sense, which has more weight/should have more weight? I don't, for the most part, object to the death penalty, if the trail is fair. But this guy seems like he's, on the balance, better for the world alive and as an activist, than dead at the hands of the State of California. It seems sad to me that the good he could do for the world in getting kids out of gangs is not worth, to the state of California, the debt he owes for the murder he was convicted of.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by Captain
Kind of you to notice.

Have you ever wondered why more Superheroes don't seem properly and obviously endowed?

Brand Routh would agree.

[Die, Tookie Die]

Originally posted by Spanky
My sister is a therapist and sometimes works with Gang kids. I passed a long letter from her (and a bunch of letters from former gang members saying how tookies influence got them to stop "banging") to the Governator. I really think she thought she could change his mind. We share the same last name and she also was under the delusion that, because of my work, that name meant something.

She is really going to be upset. I am also sure she will be there tonight holding a candle.

If she holds a candle for this cretin, she's an idiot.

I'll be lighting a candle tonight for the memories of Albert Owens, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Die, Tookie Die
If she holds a candle for this cretin, she's an idiot.

I'll be lighting a candle tonight for the memories of Albert Owens, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin.

I just can't get excited either way by the death penatly. Yes - it would definitely suck if innocent people are getting killed. But with DNA evidence now, I don't think that many innocent people are getting the needle (before anyone freaks out I have read all the stuff to the contrary) but I just don't buy it is bad as Sheck says it is.

In addition, I think it makes some sense that putting them out of their misery is actually a favor to them.

In any event, in my opinion, whether or not these monsters die or spend a lifetime in prison is not as important an issue as healthcare etc. There are many more important issues to get excited about.

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Die, Tookie Die
If she holds a candle for this cretin, she's an idiot.

I'll be lighting a candle tonight for the memories of Albert Owens, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin.

This sock intrigues me. All signs point to him dying tonight. You are quite the ambitious sort to create a sock for a single day's use. Well done. Maybe tomorrow you can create and post under a "December 13, 2005" sock.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This sock intrigues me. All signs point to him dying tonight.

It's not dtb, given the commas are pretty screwed up.

Then again, maybe it's German for "The, Tookie The".

[Ty@50]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This sock intrigues me. All signs point to him dying tonight. You are quite the ambitious sort to create a sock for a single day's use. Well done. Maybe tomorrow you can create and post under a "December 13, 2005" sock.

Turns out he's pardoned at the last minute. Bush does it, and then he brings in Snoop Dogg as a liason to young people. Later, after I'm convicted for some things I've been doing the last few months when I've been posting less, we share a cell for awhile. He really is reformed.

[Hank Chinaski]

quote:
Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This sock intrigues me. All signs point to him dying tonight. You are quite the ambitious sort to create a sock for a single day's use. Well done. Maybe tomorrow you can create and post under a "December 13, 2005" sock.

Originally posted by Ty@50
Turns out he's pardoned at the last minute. Bush does it, and then he brings in Snoop Dogg as a liason to young people. Later, after I'm convicted for some things I've been doing the last few months when I've been posting less, we share a cell for awhile. He really is reformed.

ncs- get a job. It creeps me out when a sock posts to itself.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Ty@50
Turns out he's pardoned at the last minute. Bush does it, and then he brings in Snoop Dogg as a liason to young people. Later, after I'm convicted for some things I've been doing the last few months when I've been posting less, we share a cell for awhile. He really is reformed.

Damnit, you're going to blow all your ccredibility with this one...

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
quote:
Originally posted by notcasesensitive
This sock intrigues me. All signs point to him dying tonight. You are quite the ambitious sort to create a sock for a single day's use. Well done. Maybe tomorrow you can create and post under a "December 13, 2005" sock.




ncs- get a job. It creeps me out when a sock posts to itself.

I agree. Even more pathetic is when a poster uses a sock to set up a post by the primary to another person. A clear sign that someone has too much time on his/her hands. Maybe not as clear a sign as setting up a single-day-use sock, but in the ballpark for sure.


ETA: Post number 6000, baby! Woo hoo.

[Replaced_Texan]

To wit, the reporter who wants to swap clemency for a serial killer in exchange for favorable coverage of the governor of Texas. Oh, and coincidence, coincidence, the confession would happen on the air.

"Why am I writing you to beg you take up this effort? Because it's the right thing to do," Bishop wrote. "But I am certain Dateline NBC would give substantial coverage to the solving of these three cold case murders tied to a serial killer, and the essential roles played by the Governors of Texas and Florida."

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
I just can't get excited either way by the death penatly. Yes - it would definitely suck if innocent people are getting killed. But with DNA evidence now, I don't think that many innocent people are getting the needle (before anyone freaks out I have read all the stuff to the contrary) but I just don't buy it is bad as Sheck says it is.

In addition, I think it makes some sense that putting them out of their misery is actually a favor to them.

In any event, in my opinion, whether or not these monsters die or spend a lifetime in prison is not as important an issue as healthcare etc. There are many more important issues to get excited about.

For once, and so far that I've seen - only once - Jesse jackson had something insightful and quite rational to say in favor of keeping this cat alive:

Keeping him alive sets a standard for other death row inmates to follow to avoid getting the needle. Almost everybody is capable of redemption and some contribution to society, and giving the condemned a shot at commutation if they can do something extraordinary, like this guy supposedly has, is a deal worth offering.

I might be staunchly in favor of the death penalty, provided there was transparancy about what really occurs, and people actually watched executions and still supported it. When they televise it live for the public, and people still support it overwhelmingly, I'll support it. Seems kinda silly so many who don't know wtf they're talking about have such a hard on for the death penalty, and are so sure its the most just thing going...

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Die, Tookie Die
If she holds a candle for this cretin, she's an idiot.

I'll be lighting a candle tonight for the memories of Albert Owens, Thsai-Shai Yang, Yen-I Yang and Yee Chen Lin.

Around 12:01 EST?



I'll probably be rubbing one out so I can fall asleep. The wife's out of town...