Fashion Board 1-08-04 through 02-03-04

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Oh, stop flaunting your superior access to MOC already. Jeesh.

Lately, I can't enough Satsuma Mandarins, which are in season right now here. Can you all get them in the rest of the country? If not, I may never be able to leave.

All our minions receive a basket of them upon acceeptance of our offer. And cookies. Chocolate chip. You like cookies, don't you? What sort of cheap ass, non-world ruling place are you working for now? PM you resume to me. It is my understanding we may have a position available.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I made it a Q for Txns and abbreviated it in hopes that others wouldn't notice what I was talking about.

I have heard of (and even had) the fruit of which you speak and I do not go to the far west. Therefore, they must be available in other parts of the country.

In retrospect, I should have left "chocolate" out of the subject line. My apologies.

[Skeks in the city]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive

Why do most big shot* NY lawyers seem like such useless tools? Is this learned through some sort of mentoring program? *in their own minds, of course. mainly the 6-12 year senior associate/junior partner types.

NY Biglaw attracts pushy people with big egos. There are tools everywhere though. I've had partners from small firms who think it's beneath them to negotiate with an associate, who try to BS me about what's market simply because they've got more years under their belt than I do, or who ramble endlessly because they like to hear themselves talk.

[Aloha Mr. Learned Hand]

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
Lately, I can't enough Satsuma Mandarins, which are in season right now here. Can you all get them in the rest of the country? If not, I may never be able to leave.

Sure, we have plenty of Chinese guys living in Chicago. NTTAWWT.




Or do you mean oranges??

[evenodds]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I made it a Q for Txns and abbreviated it in hopes that others wouldn't notice what I was talking about.

I have had it in a box and I have had it with a fox.

Uh, that would be hot, cold, and room temperature -- all fabulous.

Ty, you can get it in other parts of the country with the link I posted this week for online ordering. MoC keeps for like three weeks, so get it already and stop your whining.

[leagleaze]

Originally posted by evenodds
Ty, you can get it in other parts of the country with the link I posted this week for online ordering.

Can't get it out here, and since shipping costs 50 bucks, that stuff had better have some gold in it.

[Bad_Rich_Chic]

Originally posted by Skeks in the city
NY Biglaw attracts pushy people with big egos. There are tools everywhere though. I've had partners from small firms who think it's beneath them to negotiate with an associate, who try to BS me about what's market simply because they've got more years under their belt than I do, or who ramble endlessly because they like to hear themselves talk.

Also, I've had clients tell me specifically to be an asshole with the other side, be pushy, be annoying. I don't know if that's unusual or not (or just a side effect of my being naturally reasonable and good natured 100% of the time), but I've seen it a lot. Clients pay us the big bucks, they want to see some fireworks - or at least use us to express their contempt for the other side's client without getting personally called on it.

Perhaps not incidentally, I've seen this have excellent results in negotiations - asshole lawyers can get others so pissed off, annoyed and distracted by the assholish personality issues that they lose their cool and aren't thinking straight, often giving a pass to comments made without asshole overtones and allowing us to walk through all kinds of shit while they grit their teeth over the bullshit the asshole is pissing them off about.

Then again, with the kind of stuff I do, anybody who says they have any particular experience that is very relevant to any given situation is pretty much full of shit - we're mostly making it all up as we go along, and he who wins is he who thinks best on his feet on 8 hours of sleep a week. Rattling techniques are more effective if no one has a clue what they are really looking at anyway.

[baltassoc]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Also, I've had clients tell me specifically to be an asshole with the other side, be pushy, be annoying. I don't know if that's unusual or not (or just a side effect of my being naturally reasonable and good natured 100% of the time), but I've seen it a lot. Clients pay us the big bucks, they want to see some fireworks - or at least use us to express their contempt for the other side's client without getting personally called on it.

This is pretty normal -- and is what I dislike the most about being a lawyer.* No one told me when I signed up for law school that my job would be "asshole for hire." Lest one think me too Sebastianish, I did take matters into my own hands and got a new job that does not require this nearly so much, and even when it does, I just call in the guy two doors down to be the designated bad cop - he seems to like it. Sometime, though, you've just got to do it.


*I'm actually coming to grips with being a lawyer and now think it's not half bad. Two years ago, I hated it with the fire of a thousand angry suns. A change of scenery can do wonders sometimes.

Originally posted by str8outavannuys
Just wanted to say that:



plus this:



equals this:

Fabulous post! I wanted to see it again. I avoided this episode for just this reason. Two hours, no less. SOrt of how I would imagine an interview iwth Atticus and Slave might be. Pedantic takes on narcissism

[bold_n_brazen]

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Fabulous post! I wanted to see it again. I avoided this episode for just this reason. Two hours, no less. SOrt of how I would imagine an interview iwth Atticus and Slave might be. Pedantic takes on narcissism

In honor of the above I give you Bernard Pivot's quiz as the Friday Fashion Board Poll of the Day.

01. What is your favorite word?

02. What is your least favorite word?

03. What turns you on creatively, spiritually or emotionally?

04. What turns you off?

05. What is your favorite curse word?

06. What sound or noise do you love?

07. What sound or noise do you hate?

08. What profession other than your own would you like to attempt?

09. What profession would you not like to do?

10. If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?

[bilmore]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
10. If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?

"Wait, let me check my list . . . Okay, you never did any polls. Come on in."

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
In honor of the above I give you Bernard Pivot's quiz as the Friday Fashion Board Poll of the Day.

01. What is your favorite word?

02. What is your least favorite word?

03. What turns you on creatively, spiritually or emotionally?

04. What turns you off?

05. What is your favorite curse word?

06. What sound or noise do you love?

07. What sound or noise do you hate?

08. What profession other than your own would you like to attempt?

09. What profession would you not like to do?

10. If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?

Excuse me but it is the Bernanrd Pivot, perhpas the greatest journalist of our time, QUESTIONAIRRE.

1) Favorite word? Juxtaposition
2) Least favorite word? tossup between fleshy, titty, trousers and blouse
3)turn on? a good soft voice
4) turn off? the smell of bacon or fish in the microwave
5)curse word? fuckingfuck
6)sound I love? rain when I am in a taxicab
7)sound I hate? whistling
8) profession I wnat to attempt? wife of a topranked tennis player
9) profession I wouldnt want to attempt? mover
10)Heaven? Jerry Garcia will be pouring all the pomegranate chammpagne you care to drink over at the bar over there.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by bold_n_brazen
In honor of the above I give you Bernard Pivot's quiz as the Friday Fashion Board Poll of the Day.

01. What is your favorite word?

02. What is your least favorite word?

03. What turns you on creatively, spiritually or emotionally?

04. What turns you off?

05. What is your favorite curse word?

06. What sound or noise do you love?

07. What sound or noise do you hate?

08. What profession other than your own would you like to attempt?

09. What profession would you not like to do?

10. If Heaven exists, what would you like to hear God say when you arrive at the Pearly Gates?

So, how many of these do you answer "TITS" for?

And what about Slave?

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Bad_Rich_Chic
Also, I've had clients tell me specifically to be an asshole with the other side, be pushy, be annoying. I don't know if that's unusual or not (or just a side effect of my being naturally reasonable and good natured 100% of the time), but I've seen it a lot. Clients pay us the big bucks, they want to see some fireworks - or at least use us to express their contempt for the other side's client without getting personally called on it.

I'd be surprised if that happened w/r/t the deals that I participate in b/c 99% of the time the other side is trying to get money from my client. Seems counterproductive. What I am referring to is not assholish negotiating tactics but literal tooishness. Like I'd never want to have a conversation with this person away from this deal. It is some combination of the manner of speech and the words used that makes me think that these (typically) guys are way to full of themselves and are generally worthless human beings.

As far as negotiating tactics go, I think that there is a difference in level of results between assholish behavior and persistence. Persistence (whether warranted or not) in bringing stuff up or holding onto points typically pays in my experience, not assholishness.

There are assholes and tools everywhere, but in my experience there is a specific breed of NY toolishness that I run into about half the time I work with bigger NY firms (even with NY offices of non-NY firms). That's why I thought maybe it is learned behavior there.

'Wives' Author Olivia Goldsmith Dies
The "First Wives Club" writer succumbs in New York Thursday due
to complications that apparently took place during plastic surgery
earlier this month.