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[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Spanky
As I said, you stop posting I will. If you are willing to let me have the last word the discussion stops. However, you guys are never willing to let me have the last word, so the posting continues.

I was going to advise you to stop because, let's face it, chicks here dig you. But they are caught by your youthful wonderment and fresh outlook. I was afraid if you brought your PB game here, you'd mess that up, and they would dump you, move on. they're a fickle lot these women.

But then when i read the above I realized you don't need my advice. as always you come out on top Spankster. Bravo boy.

[Pretty Little Flower]

Originally posted by Spanky
How the hell would I know? Am I supposed to read his mind?

Did you ever think about just asking him? Maybe opening up those sorts of lines of communication would help you two to find some common ground. Instead, you're both constantly trying to read each other's minds and it is leading to this acrimonious back-and-forth that is polarizing the FB.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Did you ever think about just asking him? Maybe opening up those sorts of lines of communication would help you two to find some common ground. Instead, you're both constantly trying to read each other's minds and it is leading to this acrimonious back-and-forth that is polarizing the FB.

dissipating is a better description than polarizing.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Pretty Little Flower
Did you ever think about just asking him? Maybe opening up those sorts of lines of communication would help you two to find some common ground.

It's a shame that TM hasn't written anything here about what his views are. Spanky might appreciate the opportunity to read what TM thinks.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy


That's not what I remember.

If you were talking about how it started here is how the whole thing started:

Gloria Post #1233


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Originally posted by pony_trekker
Because it wouldn't have beeen a big deal. The fundamental difference between a white person using racial slurs toward a black and a black using racial slurs toward a white is this country's history.

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Spanky:

Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

TM:

I'm not going to spend too much time on this because I think it's pointless, but historical racism is responsible for the current state of affairs in this country. The stigma attached to being black permeates every aspect of life, from what socio-economic class you're born into, to your job prospects, to your everyday social interactions (especially with the police). Likewise, the position you're in if you're white, relative to black people, is a result of the same, whether your family came here yesterday or 200 years ago.

So don't give me that load of bullshit about slavery happening long ago and how you weren't personally involved. No one is accusing you of intentionally trying to benefit from it and no one is making you personally responsible for it. But the imprint of the impact of slavery, jim crow and everyday racism from the beginning of the slave trade until now is felt every single day. You can choose to walk around pretending that that time is long over, because the only negative impact you feel is when, as pony said, a black person can feel comfortable making a racial joke at your expense because of the truth of historical racism and who it affects. And look at the fit you throw when someone even mentions the prospect.

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From where I was coming from I made this statement and TM disagreed with me:

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

And the whole rest of the discussion was about that. Yet I was accussed of both being to obsessed with this point and at the same time going in tangents. Was I wrong when I said he disagreed with me? What else were we discussing?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
... Spanky selective history ....

So why does any of this justify you calling him an anti-Semite?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
If you were talking about how it started here is how the whole thing started:

Gloria Post #1233


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Originally posted by pony_trekker
Because it wouldn't have beeen a big deal. The fundamental difference between a white person using racial slurs toward a black and a black using racial slurs toward a white is this country's history.

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Spanky:

Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

TM:

I'm not going to spend too much time on this because I think it's pointless, but historical racism is responsible for the current state of affairs in this country. The stigma attached to being black permeates every aspect of life, from what socio-economic class you're born into, to your job prospects, to your everyday social interactions (especially with the police). Likewise, the position you're in if you're white, relative to black people, is a result of the same, whether your family came here yesterday or 200 years ago.

So don't give me that load of bullshit about slavery happening long ago and how you weren't personally involved. No one is accusing you of intentionally trying to benefit from it and no one is making you personally responsible for it. But the imprint of the impact of slavery, jim crow and everyday racism from the beginning of the slave trade until now is felt every single day. You can choose to walk around pretending that that time is long over, because the only negative impact you feel is when, as pony said, a black person can feel comfortable making a racial joke at your expense because of the truth of historical racism and who it affects. And look at the fit you throw when someone even mentions the prospect.

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From where I was coming from I made this statement and TM disagreed with me:

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

And the whole rest of the discussion was about that. Yet I was accussed of both being to obsessed with this point and at the same time going in tangents. Was I wrong when I said he disagreed with me? What else were we discussing?

Ask TM about mentors.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So why does any of this justify you calling him an anti-Semite?

When did I call him an anti-semite?

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
When did I call him an anti-semite?

When I asked what TM was defending, you answered by asking whether I thought black leaders made anti-semitic comments - you were implying that TM was defending the anti-semitic comments.

From where I sit, this is all about you casting aspersions at TM. Why, Spanky, Why?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
You think TM's whole point is that he wants to be able to make racist statements, or that he wants to defend others in making racist statements. The only thing you can come up with is that some unnamed black leaders have made anti-semitic statements. What leads you to think that this is what TM's argument was about?

Perhaps TM was not focused on how badly he wants to abuse that bagel-eater TaxWonk. I don't think you should be impugning TM as an anti-semite here. It is offensive.

Maybe, if you rack that little brain of yours, you'll discover TM was making a different point.

This is the statement we were dicussing:

"Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not. "

He disagree with this statement.

Then in the end, when I asked him to agree with this statement he said this is not what we were talking about. He said we were talking about something else and that he never disagreed with this statement. He accused me of being stupid because I didn't know what we were talking about. But above is the statement that started it all.

TM also accused me of being obssessed with this topic. Obsessesd? I was just staying on point. He tried to make up all sorts of arguement I was making, when this was the only one (or at least everything I said was to back up this one).

I wan't interested in arguing about anything else and didn't argue about anything else. Yet you accuse me of being the illogical one? I tried to keep the discussion on subject, but then I get accused of taking the conversation off on tangents.

What is wrong with that statement up above? Was I wrong to defend it?

What is with you guys? really?

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
What is with you guys?

Maybe you misunderstood TM somewhere along the line.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
This is the statement we were dicussing:

"Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not. "

He disagree with this statement.

Then in the end, when I asked him to agree with this statement he said this is not what we were talking about. He said we were talking about something else and that he never disagreed with this statement. He accused me of being stupid because I didn't know what we were talking about. But above is the statement that started it all.

TM also accused me of being obssessed with this topic. Obsessesd? I was just staying on point. He tried to make up all sorts of arguement I was making, when this was the only one (or at least everything I said was to back up this one).

I wan't interested in arguing about anything else and didn't argue about anything else. Yet you accuse me of being the illogical one? I tried to keep the discussion on subject, but then I get accused of taking the conversation off on tangents.

What is wrong with that statement up above? Was I wrong to defend it?

What is with you guys? really?

You still haven't cited to where I whined about your posts. Hank, can I go ahead and log the W?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
When I asked what TM was defending, you answered by asking whether I thought black leaders made anti-semitic comments - you were implying that TM was defending the anti-semitic comments.

From where I sit, this is all about you casting aspersions at TM. Why, Spanky, Why?

This is getting ridiculous. You talk about going off on tangents. What is this a game of gotcha? When asked about specific comments TM would make I said I couldn't read his mind. When you asked about in general what comments could be made by a black person that are racist, I brought up the fact that many black leaders make anti - semitic remarks.

You also accused me if not answering the question. Now you are accusing me of making specific accusations.

I never meant to imply that TM defended African American leaders who make anti-semitic remarks and you know it.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
This is getting ridiculous. You talk about going off on tangents. What is this a game of gotcha? When asked about specific comments TM would make I said I couldn't read his mind. When you asked about in general what comments could be made by a black person that are racist, I brought up the fact that many black leaders make anti - semitic remarks.

You also accused me if not answering the question. Now you are accusing me of making specific accusations.

I never meant to imply that TM defended African American leaders who make anti-semitic remarks and you know it.

So what did you mean to say about TM?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Maybe you misunderstood TM somewhere along the line.

Did I? The start of the exchange is right above? What did I misinterpret? I made a pretty simple statement "Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not."

He quoted that statement and then spent three paragraphs critisizing what I said. If he didn't mean to critisize my statement, why did he quote it? Am I wrong? Was he not critisizing me statemet? What was he critisizing?