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[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Maybe you misunderstood TM somewhere along the line.

I'll bet you used Monarch Notes in school.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So what did you mean to say about TM?

I made this statement: Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

He said this statement was wrong. I stood by my statement. That was the disagreement.

You asked me:

"Can you give examples of these racist statements that African Americans make?"

And I gave you an example. It had nothing to do with TM.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Spanky
Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

I agree with this.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
I made this statement: Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

He said this statement was wrong. I stood by my statement. That was the disagreement.

So you thought people were justifying racial slurs -- so tell me, what racial slurs were they justifying? Who were they defending?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
I'll bet you used Monarch Notes in school.

If you think I misunderstood TM then answer the questions I asked Ty.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Did I? The start of the exchange is right above? What did I misinterpret? I made a pretty simple statement "Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not."

He quoted that statement and then spent three paragraphs critisizing what I said. If he didn't mean to critisize my statement, why did he quote it? Am I wrong? Was he not critisizing me statemet? What was he critisizing?

Read his post again and see what you can come up with.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy
So you thought people were justifying racial slurs -- so tell me, what racial slurs were they justifying? Who were they defending?

I made a statement and he disagreed with it. It is not that complicated.

When you asked "Can you give examples of these racist statements that African Americans make? " I gave you an example.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
I made this statement: Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

He said this statement was wrong. I stood by my statement. That was the disagreement.

I don't think your A and B are necessarily linked. It's like the aggravating and whatever the opposite of aggravating is circumstances when someone commits a crime. Yeah, it's always, no question, wrong to um like abuse a kid, but someone who has just returned from being tortured in Iraq and watching all his buddies get killed, and who immediately took the kid to the hospital and confessed and went into therapy, maybe deserves to be cut some slack.

I exaggerate the opposite-of-aggravating circumstances there, but sometimes it seems like one needs to exaggerate in certain discussions, or one will have the specific example one chose refuted and the other participant in the discussion will count it as a win on his or her part.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Read his post again and see what you can come up with.

Ty sometimes you can be a real jerk. I have read it multiple times and I have told you my interpretation. I think there is one obvious interpretation. I can't imagine there being another interpretation. If you disagree with that interpretation then let me know. If not admit that I have been right all along.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
I made a statement and he disagreed with it. It is not that complicated.

When you asked "Can you give examples of these racist statements that African Americans make? " I gave you an example.

Your main one was about a minority group making racist remarks about another minority group, not about a black person insulting whites. TM was specifically talking about a black person making a racial joke at your expense, and you are white. You are the Ruling Class.

ETA jesus god, why have I let myself get sucked in? (oh, because the posts got short enough to read.) I need a break from humanity. I stupidly checked my work email and one of my stupid coworkers sent a meeting notice on the assumption that Puerto Rico is on central time. Jesus fucking christ, it's not in the fucking Gulf of Mexico, or superimposed on South America somewhere.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I don't think your A and B are necessarily linked. It's like the aggravating and whatever the opposite of aggravating is circumstances when someone commits a crime. Yeah, it's always, no question, wrong to um like abuse a kid, but someone who has just returned from being tortured in Iraq and watching all his buddies get killed, and who immediately took the kid to the hospital and confessed and went into therapy, maybe deserves to be cut some slack.

I exaggerate the opposite-of-aggravating circumstances there, but sometimes it seems like one needs to exaggerate in certain discussions, or one will have the specific example one chose refuted and the other participant in the discussion will count it as a win on his or her part.

After I made the statement, it wasn't like TM made some further comments. It was clear my statement angered him and he vociferously disagreed with it.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Spanky
Ty sometimes you can be a real jerk. I have read it multiple times and I have told you my interpretation. I think there is one obvious interpretation. I can't imagine there being another interpretation. If you disagree with that interpretation then let me know. If not admit that I have been right all along.

I think what Ty meant was take your head out of your ass and then read it again.

Read the whole conversation again. How much of TMs post fits in the broader conversation? What he just responding to your one-liner? Was your one-liner even responsive to the broader discussion? Then read your subsequent attacks on TM. And about all the fronts you were attacking him on.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Ty sometimes you can be a real jerk. I have read it multiple times and I have told you my interpretation. I think there is one obvious interpretation. I can't imagine there being another interpretation. If you disagree with that interpretation then let me know. If not admit that I have been right all along.

TM posted at some length about a subject about which one could say a great many things. I'm not sure why you think the only issue he was addressing was the narrow question you are now focused on. You seem to think that he wrote at length to elliptically address the particular question that interests you rather than because he was trying to say directly a lot of other things. I tend to think it was the latter.

eta: Sorry about the split infinitive, but the alternatives seemed worse.

[Greedy,Greedy,Greedy]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
You still haven't cited to where I whined about your posts. Hank, can I go ahead and log the W?

Hey, I asked him to identify my whining posts before you did, and I haven't called a win yet. And, of course, he still hasn't identified them.

Let's call it now, shall we?

[dtb]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
ETA jesus god, why have I let myself get sucked in? (oh, because the posts got short enough to read.) I need a break from humanity. I stupidly checked my work email and one of my stupid coworkers sent a meeting notice on the assumption that Puerto Rico is on central time. Jesus fucking christ, it's not in the fucking Gulf of Mexico, or superimposed on South America somewhere.

Central Time?!? WTF?!?! What a FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!

So, on an unrelated note, I took one of my boys (not as in one of my boys, I mean as in one of my male children) to a barber shop today to get his hair cut. There is this kids' hair salon that is pretty cool, because they have video games for the kids to sit doped-out in front of so that they keep their heads still while their hair gets cut, but it's $35 for a hair cut. So I took him to the Dominican (as in DR, not some nuns or something) barber shop, where it's a much more reasonably priced affair ($15). There were all these older dudes just hanging out in the barber shop talking to one another (who mentioned to each other how ridiculous it was that the place across the street charges $35 for a kid's haircut - I chimed in that's why I was at the barber shop - and it got big laughs - I think it wasn't very funny, they were just being polite). Just a bunch of mostly older Dominican dudes sitting around shooting the breeze.

What was strange about all this is that it felt oddly nostalgic. And I didn't grow up in a barber shop.