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Old 02-28-2007, 05:31 PM   #1801
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Al Gore's carbon footprint.

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I usually post something (or give him a link to ignore) and then bust him for not reading it. Like I just did with you. But doing the busting first and then posting stuff adds an interesting twist.

That page you linked to says:
  • TVA has built the first commercial wind-powered turbines in the southeastern U.S. on Buffalo Mountain in Anderson County, Tennessee. Solar generation sites are located in the service areas of participating public power companies. And methane gas is providing power at Allen Fossil Plant in Memphis, where a methane waste by-product from the city’s wastewater treatment plant is used for co-firing.
So because i shit bigger than Icantread I'm already doing more?

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I suppose it's possible that all of those plants will be down at once, and that Gore will then be responsible for the release of more carbon into the atmosphere. But if the plants are all down two weeks a year, and Gore uses twenty times as much electricity as the next guy, then he's still releasing less carbon than his neighbor, and paying a lot more to get there.
he's not getting any particular electricity. he is subsidizing the creation of some wind turbines say, but his actual power may be coal. and his goal is to REDUCE coal, not build more wind turbines. if building more wind turbines lets us eliminate coal, god bless, but if wind turbines only let us light up our 80 room mansions, what's the point.

It's like right now all this development of hybrid cars, so now our SUVs get 30-35 MPG. Everyone smiling driving around saving the world in their hybrids- but the thing is normal compacts got that milage in 1980. All that effort only lets us pollute as much, but in bigger cars.

If we really fucked the world up we have to correct, and even reverse.

I'm done on this one.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:40 PM   #1802
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Would the green energy not be produced without his purchasing it? If it's being produced anyway, then presumably his use of it to power frivolous items takes it away from someone else, who instead must use "dirty" energy from sources such as Diablo Canyon.
I think they can't segregate the power, because duh, you'd have to build a whole extra power grid, and that's just stupid. But, it is not as cost-efficient to produce the greener energy, so facilities are only built if people are willing to pay more. So, some people make the decision to pay extra to create the market for building the facilities that produce the electricity that has less of an environmental impact (and does not involve fossil fuels or carbon or whatever). Obviously they can't do it one-to-one, but people willing to pay more makes it feasible to shift from e.g. the high sulfur coal plants to wind farms, or whatever.

It's kind of like a hybrid car -- they use gas, but they use less because a lot of the energy that is being used is reclaimed, and the gas only kicks in when the reclaimed energy is exhausted. Having the wind plants, or whatever, allows coal plants to be used less than they otherwise would be. The coal plants are (I believe) the easiest to turn on and off. Wind makes it possible to have them be backup power, rather than primary.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:42 PM   #1803
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I think they can't segregate the power, because duh, you'd have to build a whole extra power grid, and that's just stupid. But, it is not as cost-efficient to produce the greener energy, so facilities are only built if people are willing to pay more. So, some people make the decision to pay extra to create the market for building the facilities that produce the electricity that has less of an environmental impact (and does not involve fossil fuels or carbon or whatever). Obviously they can't do it one-to-one, but people willing to pay more makes it feasible to shift from e.g. the high sulfur coal plants to wind farms, or whatever.

It's kind of like a hybrid car -- they use gas, but they use less because a lot of the energy that is being used is reclaimed, and the gas only kicks in when the reclaimed energy is exhausted. Having the wind plants, or whatever, allows coal plants to be used less than they otherwise would be. The coal plants are (I believe) the easiest to turn on and off. Wind makes it possible to have them be backup power, rather than primary.
you missed the whole point that to waste the "green" energy prevents the coal plants from being shut down. But you're still cute when you start to get all educational and all. Are you in a union?
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:43 PM   #1804
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That's nice, Slave, but if he's buying his electricity from a 100% green source, then it doesn't matter whether he's got a fully lit 1:8 diorama of the Las Vegas strip going in his yard -- it's not adding to the carbon problem. And if that's what he's doing, he's surely paying more than his neighbors for power, which would be putting his money where his mouth is.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:44 PM   #1805
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Would the green energy not be produced without his purchasing it? If it's being produced anyway, then presumably his use of it to power frivolous items takes it away from someone else, who instead must use "dirty" energy from sources such as Diablo Canyon.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:52 PM   #1806
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No. My hank to english translator is broken, though.
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Old 02-28-2007, 05:55 PM   #1807
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Old 02-28-2007, 06:26 PM   #1809
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Um, President Clinton fired 49 (of 50) US Attorneys within days of taking office in 1993. It was one of his first acts as POTUS.

You may be forgiven for not recalling this - since you were about 7 then - but the WaPo has no such similar excuse.
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Um, President Clinton fired 49 (of 50) US Attorneys within days of taking office in 1993.
Did he fire any of them before Jan. 20, 2001? Or did he let Bush do that job a few days after he took office in 2001?

I can't believe you actually posted this like it's a relevant fact.
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Um, President Clinton fired 49 (of 50) US Attorneys within days of taking office in 1993. It was one of his first acts as POTUS.
not to mention travel agents.
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Did he fire any of them before Jan. 20, 2001? Or did he let Bush do that job a few days after he took office in 2001?

I can't believe you actually posted this like it's a relevant fact.
How the F is it not relevant? Clearly they serve at the Executive's will.

Clinton canned 49 (probably exceptional) attorneys for no reason other than that he felt like it. Pity.

If Bush wants to fire his own (probably) guys, so be it.

There's no story in this story.
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How the F is it not relevant? Clearly they serve at the Executive's will.

Clinton canned 49 (probably exceptional) attorneys for no reason other than that he felt like it. Pity.

If Bush wants to fire his own (probably) guys, so be it.

There's no story in this story.
So you're saying that it's equally newsworthy when an executive branch official resigns or is "fired" when an administration changes over as when it happens in the middle of an admin.?

Sure. Rummy's and Powell's quiting weren't worth talking about much either.

for what it's worth, of course he has the right to ask for anyone's resignation. But it's the public's right to ask why he asked for the resignation of people who apparently were lacking only in one qualification.
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