Nutjobs Ranting About Politics.

[SlaveNoMore]

Tyrone Slothrop
And that is why you guys should just keep talking about it. Because one candidate mixed up the dates on which he was risking enemy fire at the command of a boat inserting CIA personnel into Cambodia, while the other guy pretends that he was flying jets protecting the coast of Texas when he was really working for a Republican politician.

Kerry royally fucked himself when he based his entire campaign on his "heroic" 4 month tour of 'Nam, rather than his years in the Senate.

And now all the lies, exagerations, mistatements, fibs, etc. are coming back to haunt him, and the poll numbers show it.

And no matter how much the liberal mainstream press or the lefty bloggers try to "pooh pooh" the matter, its not going away that easy.

[SlaveNoMore]

Shape Shifter
No, the Cambodia thing is boring. Let's talk about what a great job the admin is doing fighting the war on terror by compromising intelligence agent/sources.

Have we been attacked since?

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Have we been attacked since?

Not as far as I know, but I only watch Fox News. I could be wrong.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Kerry royally fucked himself when he based his entire campaign on his "heroic" 4 month tour of 'Nam, rather than his years in the Senate.

And now all the lies, exagerations, mistatements, fibs, etc. are coming back to haunt him, and the poll numbers show it.

And no matter how much the liberal mainstream press or the lefty bloggers try to "pooh pooh" the matter, its not going away that easy.

And the big pounding hasn't even really begun. Bush took the left's best for the last year and is still standing. So far Kerry has stood up well, but we will see how he fares when the gloves come off. This one is going to be a thrilla.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Have we been attacked since?

I get so confused about whether the war in Iraq is supposed to be part of the war on terror or not. The President said yes, but then you guys don't like to talk about it when it's not going well. Our casualties there are up since we made Allawi the nominal boss (as it just took the NYT more than three weeks to acknowledge).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I'm not saying anything. The blog is suggesting that it may have been the NYT that leaked the name, relying on Paki intelligence, and not the confirmation from the admin. It's a timing issue, apparently.

edited to delete "not"

That's a wonderful theory, but only if you ignore the fact that Condi Rice told Wolf Blitzer last weekend on national TV that the administration supplied the name to the media on background:

• BLITZER: Let's talk about some of the people who have been picked up, mostly in Pakistan, over the last few weeks. In mid-July, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan. There is some suggestion that by releasing his identity here in the United States, you compromised a Pakistani intelligence sting operation, because he was effectively being used by the Pakistanis to try to find other al Qaeda operatives. Is that true?
  
  RICE: Well, I don't know what might have been going on in Pakistan. I will say this, that we did not, of course, publicly disclose his name. One of them...
  
  BLITZER: He was disclosed in Washington on background.
  
  RICE: On background. And the problem is that when you're trying to strike a balance between giving enough information to the public so that they know that you're dealing with a specific, credible, different kind of threat than you've dealt with in the past, you're always weighing that against kind of operational considerations. We've tried to strike a balance. We think for the most part, we've struck a balance, but it's indeed a very difficult balance to strike.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Kerry royally fucked himself when he based his entire campaign on his "heroic" 4 month tour of 'Nam, rather than his years in the Senate.

And now all the lies, exagerations, mistatements, fibs, etc. are coming back to haunt him, and the poll numbers show it.

And no matter how much the liberal mainstream press or the lefty bloggers try to "pooh pooh" the matter, its not going away that easy.

That's fine. It's only the right that's paying attention to it anyway. It's not going to go away. For you guys. Go ahead and preach to the choir. The rest of the country isn't listening. Hell, my republican friends aren't even listening.

Meanwhile the rest of the voting public will be busy not paying attention. But keep it up!

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's a wonderful theory, but only if you ignore the fact that Condi Rice told Wolf Blitzer last weekend on national TV that the administration supplied the name to the media on background:

• BLITZER: Let's talk about some of the people who have been picked up, mostly in Pakistan, over the last few weeks. In mid-July, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan. There is some suggestion that by releasing his identity here in the United States, you compromised a Pakistani intelligence sting operation, because he was effectively being used by the Pakistanis to try to find other al Qaeda operatives. Is that true?
  
  RICE: Well, I don't know what might have been going on in Pakistan. I will say this, that we did not, of course, publicly disclose his name. One of them...
  
  BLITZER: He was disclosed in Washington on background.
  
  RICE: On background. And the problem is that when you're trying to strike a balance between giving enough information to the public so that they know that you're dealing with a specific, credible, different kind of threat than you've dealt with in the past, you're always weighing that against kind of operational considerations. We've tried to strike a balance. We think for the most part, we've struck a balance, but it's indeed a very difficult balance to strike.

You missing the point. The blogger is suggesting that the NYT may have known the name pre-disclosure by the admin.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
That's a wonderful theory, but only if you ignore the fact that Condi Rice told Wolf Blitzer last weekend on national TV that the administration supplied the name to the media on background:

Condi Lied!

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sgtclub
And the big pounding hasn't even really begun. Bush took the left's best for the last year and is still standing. So far Kerry has stood up well, but we will see how he fares when the gloves come off. This one is going to be a thrilla.

It is SO hot when you go all street on us.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
You missing the point. The blogger is suggesting that the NYT may have known the name pre-disclosure by the admin.

The blogger may be suggesting that, but the original NYT story to which he links to is full of material attributed to unnamed U.S. officials:

• 
  The unannounced capture of a figure from Al Qaeda in Pakistan several weeks ago led the Central Intelligence Agency to the rich lode of information that prompted the terror alert on Sunday, according to senior American officials.
  
  The figure, Muhammad Naeem Noor Khan, was described by a Pakistani intelligence official as a 25-year-old computer engineer, arrested July 13, who had used and helped to operate a secret Qaeda communications system where information was transferred via coded messages.
  
  A senior United States official would not confirm or deny that Mr. Khan had been the Qaeda figure whose capture led to the information. But the official said "documentary evidence" found after the capture had demonstrated in extraordinary detail that Qaeda members had for years conducted sophisticated and extensive reconnaissance of the financial institutions cited in the warnings on Sunday.
  
  One senior American intelligence official said the information was more detailed and precise than any he had seen during his 24-year career in intelligence work. A second senior American official said it had provided a new window into the methods, content and distribution of Qaeda communications.
  
  "This, for us, is a potential treasure trove," said a third senior American official, an intelligence expert, at a briefing for reporters on Sunday afternoon.
  
  The documentary evidence, whose contents were reported urgently to Washington on Friday afternoon, immediately elevated the significance of other intelligence information gathered in recent weeks that had already been regarded as highly troubling, senior American intelligence officials said. Much of that information had come from Qaeda detainees in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia as well as Pakistan, and some had also pointed to a possible attack on financial institutions, senior American intelligence officials said.
  
  The American officials said the new evidence had been obtained only after the capture of the Qaeda figure. Among other things, they said, it demonstrated that Qaeda plotters had begun casing the buildings in New York, Newark and Washington even before the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
  

It continues. It refers to a Pakistani source, too, but trying to blame the leak on the Pakistanis is too cute by half -- this is the first story, and it is overwhelmingly sourced to senior U.S. officials. Then Condi Rice goes ahead and confirms that the U.S. government provided the name on background.

The British seem to think that this is a collossal fuck-up, but you would rather carry water for the administration than admit that their efforts to score some political points compromised the war on terror.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

The British seem to think that this is a collossal fuck-up, but you would rather carry water for the administration than admit that their efforts to score some political points compromised the war on terror.

I've already posted that this looks like a fuck up.

[confidential to Ty]Just because I post something you disagree with does not mean I necessarily agree with it. I think I'm pretty clear about that [/confidential to Ty]

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Ah, finally, the Al Sharpton wing of the Democratic Party arrives to the podium. Bravo!!!

Hey, you asked, I answered.

Otherwise, I refer you to your tag line.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I've already posted that this looks like a fuck up.

[confidential to Ty]Just because I post something you disagree with does not mean I necessarily agree with it. I think I'm pretty clear about that [/confidential to Ty]

Sorry, forgot.

The Bush Administration's willingness to subordinate the war on terror to its own political interests is far more important to this election than whether John Kerry served under fire in Cambodia in December 1968 or January 1969. They do this shit again and again:

• sitting on Lieberman's proposal to create a Dept. of Homeland Security for months, and then using it as a campaign issue
  
• sending too few troops to Iraq
  
• outing Valerie Plame
  
• stonewalling the 9/11 commission in various ways

But you guys want to talk about Cambodia.

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop

But you guys want to talk about Cambodia.

Yes. Is this a good time of the year to visit Angor Wat?