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Old 10-05-2005, 05:48 PM   #1861
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But the very first of God's Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill. Therefore, wouldn't all killing, even in war, be an absolute wrong?

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Old 10-05-2005, 05:54 PM   #1862
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I have to disagree with Will on the fact that you can't assume she has been a victim of discrimination. If she is 61, she had to overcome serious obstacles to get where she is today. Especially in Texas where the old boys network is a strong as ever. I believe those obstacles have been seriously diminshed but there were rock solid when she began her legal career.
Word.

I know well a lady about that age who is just retiring after a very successful career as a litigator (product defense, mostly). She rose to lead a Practice Group and sit on the Board and Management Committee of a large law firm (Amlaw 250) here on the East Coast.

Her stories about some events while she was a summer associate in the early 1970s and a young litigator are just truly remarkable. (Not sexual assault -- just the way the firm and senior partners dealt with women.)

Our local bank (top 30 city by population) would not allow my mother to open her own individual checking account in the mid -1960s.

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Old 10-05-2005, 05:59 PM   #1863
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From the DLC. I thought this was interesting......

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THE NEW DEM DISPATCH, October 05, 2005
Political commentary & analysis from the DLC =============================================
[http://www.DLC.org ]

D.C.'s Charter Experiment: Mixed Grades, Great Promise


The Katrina recovery effort has sparked yet another Kabuki-theater- type debate in Congress about conservative efforts to divert public
money to subsidize private schools, as though that were the only
available alternative to keeping public schools exactly the way they
are.

Ironically, in the same city, there is an enormous experiment
underway to explore the potential of charter public schools --
schools that maintain the equal access and accountability for use of
taxpayer dollars characteristic of traditional public schools, while
appropriating much of the competitive quality and ability to
innovate characteristic of the best private schools.

About one-third of D.C. public school students now attend one of the
city's 52 charter schools -- far more than the percentage in any of
the 50 states. As an important new report from the Progressive
Policy Institute explains, we are beginning to learn a lot about
what to do and what not to do in making these and all other public
schools successful.

In Capital Campaign: Early Returns on D.C. Charter Schools, PPI
fellow Sara Mead outlines the tangled history of the D.C. charter
movement, but notes that Washington is exactly the kind of place
where charter schools can perform a critical function: a city with a
very troubled public school system, serving a heavily disadvantaged
student population.

Fortunately, charter schools in D.C. benefit from a strong legal
authorization, a relatively level "playing ground," and intense
interest from parents and students. As Mead notes, the District
gives charters a strong foundation because it "provides for multiple
authorizers; funds charter schools on an equitable basis with other
public schools; gives charter schools significant operational and
academic flexibility; and provides charter schools additional per- pupil facilities funding" -- all features often lacking in states
with a weaker commitment to public school choice, and all features
that have contributed to the remarkable growth of charter schools in
Washington.

In terms of initial performance in the decade since charter schools
first appeared in D.C., Mead reports that they have in fact on
average outperformed traditional public schools in all the standard
measurements of student achievement. But the variations in charter
school performance have been unusually wide, with a few "super- stars" such as Community Academy, the KIPP DC/KEY Academy, and SEED
Public Charter School (the nation's only public boarding school); a
variety of middle-of-the-pack performers; and nine schools that have
closed down, eight of them because their charters were revoked.

D.C.'s unusual dual-authorizer system has also produced variable
results and important lessons, with one authorizer taking a hands- off position and the other perhaps engaging in too much
micromanagement of schools. This illustrates the difficulty and the
importance of striking the right balance in charter school oversight
between the freedom to innovate and accountability for results.

Mead makes a number of recommendations for improving charter schools
in the District:

* Providing more help to charter schools in obtaining suitable
facilities, especially using excess space available in
traditional public schools;

* Closing more low-performance charter schools and providing a
smooth transition and new opportunities for their students;

* Focusing on raising the performance of "middle-of-the-pack"
schools;

* Clarifying the roles of charter school authorizers and more
closely monitoring the quality of their decisions;

* Improving data on charter school performance, and making it
more broadly useful and accessible;

* Integrating charter schools more systematically into overall
public school strategies for reform and better performance.

As Mead concludes: "The District of Columbia's charter school
movement is strong, despite growing pains." If it continues to make
strides in one of the toughest educational environments in the
country -- an environment that reflects America's most important
educational challenges -- then this little-known experiment in the
shadow of the Capitol can and should move into the front-lines of
national debate on how to build world-class schools.
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Word.

I know well a lady about that age who is just retiring after a very successful career as a litigator (product defense, mostly). She rose to lead a Practice Group and sit on the Board and Management Committee of a large law firm (Amlaw 250) here on the East Coast.

Her stories about some events while she was a summer associate in the early 1970s and a young litigator are just truly remarkable. (Not sexual assault -- just the way the firm and senior partners dealt with women.)

Our local bank (top 30 city by population) would not allow my mother to open her own individual checking account in the mid -1960s.

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I have heard, in addition to such stories about firms, stories about abominable treatment of women in law school in the early 70s, e.g., being required to stand up and state their LSAT scores as justification (or lack thereof) for their being present at the school; only being called on or permitted to ask questions in class on particular days, and the like.

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Our local bank (top 30 city by population) would not allow my mother to open her own individual checking account in the mid -1960s.

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For the love of God. What state do you live in?
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Old 10-05-2005, 06:10 PM   #1866
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Actually, we don't want you to stipulate to it. We want you to stop it.

So in other words you want to motivate me to impose a prior restraint on my political speech because you don't like it? Interesting that this is what I see from the left generally a lot. I talk with people irl about politics with some frequency. People who make moveon.org members look rightwing. I would never say to them, I know you are going to criticise Bush and I know its going to be visceral emotional observations and vitriolic and I don't want to hear it because it makes me feel like you are saying those things about me. I listen to what they say. I may say, that's sort of fucked up, but I don't say don't say it. Why do you want to supress speech?

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Okay, if it was an absolute wrong for the US to return Elian to Cuba, then parents must not have any right to raise their children as they see fit?
His natural rights trumped.
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Old 10-05-2005, 06:12 PM   #1867
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2 As RT's consort you have to think how hurtful the things you say are. Let RT make the criticisms. You should stick to non-controversial issues- Did you ever hear Laura Bush attack anyone personally?
Oh my. But why was his joke hurtful? Should not have been, even under the eggshell theory.

I speculate that Penske just has it in for Balt because Balt suggested that Penske's:

(a) vocal celebration of the deaths of left wingers and certain foreign people of color, and

(b) hyperbolic condemnation of certain broad groups of people (by politics, ethnicity and/or religion) might be honest expressions of his opinions and reflect motives that are less than pure.

I've actually enjoyed much of Penske's posting since he has stopped socking and become more coherent -- but the key is not to take a single word he says seriously if his post includes sentences with more than one adjective in a row.

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For the love of God. What state do you live in?
It was in the State of Ohio.

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It was in the State of Ohio.

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Old 10-05-2005, 06:24 PM   #1870
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The people in ME NH and RI was RiNOs of the worst order. I could call myself a democrat, it doesn't make your in tune with the national party., even excepting the fringes.
So you're saying the republicans are a majority party in name only? Because drop those RiNO Senators and even the nuclear option is unavailable.

While you're at it, you should drop the grand ol' part as well, because those are the roots, not the babyjesusloving southerners.
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Islam. A religion for throwing the bomb or 3 yards and a cloud of dust?

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I believe that the statement that we are all God's children is a metaphor. But if you aren't taking it as a meatphor, then I would have to reply that God has chosen many imperfect prophets. Augustine... Moses... Perhaps he's just more forgiving than some of us here on Earth?
Perhaps, which is why I try to be a beacon of understanding and foregiveness, following the ways of the babyjesi. Hating solely the sin and not the sinner.
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So you're saying the republicans are a majority party in name only? Because drop those RiNO Senators and even the nuclear option is unavailable.

While you're at it, you should drop the grand ol' part as well, because those are the roots, not the babyjesusloving southerners.
Hmm... Lott is breaking ranks.

I wonder if the porch party is still on.
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But the very first of God's Commandments is Thou Shalt Not Kill. Therefore, wouldn't all killing, even in war, be an absolute wrong?

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So what if it is. Then God will be their judge. I am not saying we can't engage in absolute wrong, I am just saying call it what it is.
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So what if it is. Then God will be their judge. I am not saying we can't engage in absolute wrong, I am just saying call it what it is.
But if they just want to engage in some good ol' fashion buttfucking, then letting God be their judge doesn't get the job done?
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But if they just want to engage in some good ol' fashion buttfucking, then letting God be their judge doesn't get the job done?
When did I say that? I am pro-anal (hi uknowwho!).


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