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[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I don't think you are a drug abuser. my drug abusing source (besides me because I have never had a Xanax) would question why. she perceives the Xanax experience as pretty different than a nice Q-lude buzz.

where's Ironweed when we need him?

You're just going to have to trust me on this. Or ask your doctor for a year's supply and see what he says. It's highly addictive.

Xanax is only approved by the FDA for up to 8 weeks of use and it is only approved for only 4 weeks of use in Great Britain. This is because it is extremely addictive. The greater the dose taken, the faster one becomes dependant. If one uses these drugs long term, the body will develop tolerance for the drugs, and larger doses will be needed to achieve the same initial effects. In addition, continued use can lead to physical dependence and - when use is reduced or stopped the body goes through.

Or here

Like other pharmaceuticals such as OxyContin and Ritalin, Xanax has found its way from pharmacies to drug dealers, and is being abused by young, healthy people who want to get high. These club-hopping, twentysomething, casual ``Xannie poppers'' are using the drug in combination with other stimulants, from booze to cocaine.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Taxation without representation?

Offset by generous federal subsidies, no?

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Spanky
Are you saying that TM never accused me of being obssed with that one issue? Do I really need to go back and find that quote, or are you saying you don't remember me saying something else.

Holy cow. You are incapable of understanding anything other than that one point. You have no idea what I was saying originally and you're stuck on your one point that you have now repeated 700 times. However, you have gone off on about 1,400 tangents to support this point (with stuff that doesn't support it) as well as for seemingly no reason at all. And it is because you are somewhat dim.

TM

[Anne Elk]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
My pee is really non-stinky. I bet people would like me to be their resident homeless person for just that reason.

Do you ever eat asparagus?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by notcasesensitive
It. Was. A. Movie. Quote. What I originally wrote was "I find you amusing." I added the "Like a clown." Because it is a movie quote. A Joe Pesci movie (see? I even put that right there in the post - not really hiding the ball or anything). If you don't get that, I cannot help you. You have yet to provide any explanation for how your posts can or should be construed as witty banter. Seriously, that is the line you are going to stick to? Where is the joke?

I believe the quote is something like "do you find me amusing, like a Clown?" In other words, Joe Pesci was asking the guy with the pock marks on his face if he found Joe Pesci amusing. He was not telling him he thought he was amusing. In any event, the "Like a clown" was obviously not enough for me to pick up the reference. Maybe if you had put in the form of a question. Didn't get it.

As far as the humor in my statements, my first inclination was to write "lighten up Francis". If I was not trying to joke around I would have accused you of being hostile. Instead, I said "I am sensing a little hostility" which I believe is a quote from sixteen candels. Anthony Michael Halls says it to Molly Ringwald (or her friend) when he is trying to talk her at the dance. He also says "nice manners babe". Anyway, it is a sarcastic comment that I have heard many times.

There is some humor that can't be explained. Either you get it or you don't. Why did you find my comments so offensive or combative?

[NotFromHere]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Who are you? Tiki Barber?

I wish. I'd love to retire in January and have a second career in broadcasting. That Reggie Bush guy hasn't done shit for me.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
As far as the humor in my statements, my first inclination was to write "lighten up Francis".

Fan. Tastic.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Fringey. A man can have 2 personas. I am despised over there since i speak the truth, yet beloved here since I speak the truth. can't Spank fit it?

sure, whatever, hank.

Re xanax addictivity, I don't know. I try not to take it to deal with anything minor, because I think it would be pretty easy for me to get dependent (at least psychologically) on it. It has a much more immediate/noticeable effect than e.g. any antidepressant I've taken.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Spanky just needs to keep it lighter here, that's all. We all have a bright future here. The PB is like Mordor without the hope of the 1 ring (hi RT!) to save everyone from the dark lord. Spank needs to keep his FB face PB-free.

er, hi. Why am I waving?

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by NotFromHere
I wish. I'd love to retire in January and have a second career in broadcasting. That Reggie Bush guy hasn't done shit for me.

See! And we get shit for not drafting him.

There are a lot of reasons to give us shit, but that's not even close to the top of the list.

[Secret_Agent_Man]

Originally posted by Spanky
Do you disagree with what I said:

"I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not."

If yes, what part do you disagree with, and if not why are you defending TM's criticism of what I said?

As broad general points, I agree with both those paragraphs. I _think_ TM and Pony Trekker (who you were initally responding to) would as well. And yet -- you fought with TM all day long.

A big part of the problem, which helped spark this whole hullabaloo (good word) is that your two paragraphs are completely nonresponsive to the broader discussion that you jumped into -- to the point that they are damn near non sequiturs.

You read a lot into what PT said which may not have been there, and (I think) missed the point of his statement (which was NOT that racism against whites is okey-dokey), and the ruckus began.

S_A_M

[notcasesensitive]

Originally posted by Spanky
I believe the quote is something like "do you find me amusing, like a Clown?" In other words, Joe Pesci was asking the guy with the pock marks on his face if he found Joe Pesci amusing. He was not telling him he thought he was amusing. In any event, the "Like a clown" was obviously not enough for me to pick up the reference. Maybe if you had put in the form of a question. Didn't get it.

As far as the humor in my statements, my first inclination was to write "lighten up Francis". If I was not trying to joke around I would have accused you of being hostile. Instead, I said "I am sensing a little hostility" which I believe is a quote from sixteen candels. Anthony Michael Halls says it to Molly Ringwald (or her friend) when he is trying to talk her at the dance. He also says "nice manners babe". Anyway, it is a sarcastic comment that I have heard many times.

There is some humor that can't be explained. Either you get it or you don't. Why did you find my comments so offensive or combative?

It is offensive to say to a woman that she must be bitter and have a bad dating history when she is having a conversation with you. Why is that? Because it is belittling and sexist. You know this. That is why you said it.

I am fascinated by your attempt to act like you were joking with me, but I assure you that no one who read the exchange at the time thought you were joking with me. In fact, one of your bigger supporters here, gwnc, jumped to my defense at the time. Some people tried to turn it into a joke, but your posts do not look like jokes.

If you want to apologize for taking things personal with me when that is not typically your posting style, fine. Otherwise I am done listening to your mental gymnastics trying to turn your statements into "jokes".

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Holy cow. You are incapable of understanding anything other than that one point. You have no idea what I was saying originally and you're stuck on your one point that you have now repeated 700 times. However, you have gone off on about 1,400 tangents to support this point (with stuff that doesn't support it) as well as for seemingly no reason at all. And it is because you are somewhat dim.

TM

I am Dim? Did you read what you are responding to? GGG accused me of leaving the subject. And he questioned the veracity of my statement when I stated that you said I stuck to that one issue like a bull dog and kept repeating it. Now you are just backing up the argument I was making to GGG by admitting I stuck to the same subject.

We were debating one issue. In your mind you ascribed all sorts of statements to me and argued against them, but those argument were purely a creation of your imagination.

Do I have to go back to the video tape. In bold is all the stuff you ascribed to me that I didn't say, and that was just on your first post.

Me: The first comment I made on the subject:

"I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not."

TM:

I'm not going to spend too much time on this because I think it's pointless, but historical racism is responsible for the current state of affairs in this country. The stigma attached to being black permeates every aspect of life, from what socio-economic class you're born into, to your job prospects, to your everyday social interactions (especially with the police). Likewise, the position you're in if you're white, relative to black people, is a result of the same, whether your family came here yesterday or 200 years ago.

So don't give me that load of bullshit about slavery happening long ago and how you weren't personally involved. No one is accusing you of intentionally trying to benefit from it and no one is making you personally responsible for it. But the imprint of the impact of slavery, jim crow and everyday racism from the beginning of the slave trade until now is felt every single day. You can choose to walk around pretending that that time is long over, because the only negative impact you feel is when, as pony said, a black person can feel comfortable making a racial joke at your expense because of the truth of historical racism and who it affects. And look at the fit you throw when someone even mentions the prospect.


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Where did that stuff in bold come from? I had only made one post on the subject and it is right there. Do you always make stuff up and put it in peoples mouth so you can argue against it? You accuse me of going off on tangents when you make stuff up that I said. Please. You are pathetic.

[ThurgreedMarshall]

Originally posted by Spanky
If you were talking about how it started here is how the whole thing started:

Gloria Post #1233


quote:
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Originally posted by pony_trekker
Because it wouldn't have beeen a big deal. The fundamental difference between a white person using racial slurs toward a black and a black using racial slurs toward a white is this country's history.

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Spanky:

Maybe I should take this to the politics board, but this is pure hypocritical B.S. I believe in individual responsiblity, not familial or racial responisibilty. Am I responsible for my father's sins? - no. Am I responsible for the sins other people of my race have committed? - no.

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

TM:

I'm not going to spend too much time on this because I think it's pointless, but historical racism is responsible for the current state of affairs in this country. The stigma attached to being black permeates every aspect of life, from what socio-economic class you're born into, to your job prospects, to your everyday social interactions (especially with the police). Likewise, the position you're in if you're white, relative to black people, is a result of the same, whether your family came here yesterday or 200 years ago.

So don't give me that load of bullshit about slavery happening long ago and how you weren't personally involved. No one is accusing you of intentionally trying to benefit from it and no one is making you personally responsible for it. But the imprint of the impact of slavery, jim crow and everyday racism from the beginning of the slave trade until now is felt every single day. You can choose to walk around pretending that that time is long over, because the only negative impact you feel is when, as pony said, a black person can feel comfortable making a racial joke at your expense because of the truth of historical racism and who it affects. And look at the fit you throw when someone even mentions the prospect.

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From where I was coming from I made this statement and TM disagreed with me:

Racism cannot be justified because you have been a victim of racism (or that other people of your race have been victims). Racism or racial slurs are either wrong or they are not.

And the whole rest of the discussion was about that. Yet I was accussed of both being to obsessed with this point and at the same time going in tangents. Was I wrong when I said he disagreed with me? What else were we discussing?

This is why you are confused. It's because you boiled down everything I said into "It's okay for black people to make racist jokes about white people," when initially I was taking issue with your point about how you can isolate yourself by using this concept of "personal responsibility" to actively ignore the benefits you enjoy (and the negatives blacks suffer) due to the continuing impact of historical racism in this country.

I said that you have the luxury of engaging in this kind of behavior because it would seem, the only negative impact racism has on you is when a black persons feels like it is okay to make fun of a white person. And even though that is minor in comparison to what black people endure (in large part because of how race is and has been dealt with in this country), you are completely focused on it. In fact, you are so focused on it that, as we have seen, it is the only thing you can post about (pointless tangents aside).

When you wouldn't let it go, I asked you why you think people generally don't think it's* as big a deal for as you do and if, in the grand scheme of things racial in this country, it amounted to much, given who holds all the power. Of course you live strictly in a black-and-white world, so this whole idea went straight over your head.

You then went on to say that we needn't think about the history of slavery in this country because racism is a natural condition every culture shares. And then you went on to talk about the history of racism in other cultures. You didn't listen to anything I said, or, if you did, you're simply not capable of understanding it.

That's it. That's the summation of the relevant parts of our discussion. I'm sure you'll have a long, drawn out response to this, but I promise, I'm done.

TM

*And by "it" I meant silly jokes about white people and not the hateful racist rants you turned the example into to make your point.

[bold_n_brazen]

It is official.

Spanky has now replaced ppnyc as the poster whose posts I am least likely to read.