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[sgtclub]

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[sgtclub]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
The "under 18" part of this discussion just struck me. I was emancipated from my parents when I was 17. I don't pay that much attention to parental notification requirements, but I didn't talk to my parents from ages 17 - 23 or so (lived 100 miles apart, never saw them). It would have been laughable for me to show up on their doorstep and expect them to assist me with a decision. Would the law have required me to talk to them about an abortion even though they weren't even a part of my life at that time? Or are there exceptions for emancipated teenagers?

Isn't that the whole point of being emancipated (i.e., your parents no longer have the legal right to make decisions on your behalf)?

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Most guys would see this as a violation.

More of a violation than her getting proinked?

This I don't see. If I recognize my daughter is having sex, and I'm sufficiently okay with it to let it continue, at least to my mind i've also decided that if she wants to get an abortion, that's her business. But I don't think many parents are okay with even (1).

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Isn't that the whole point of being emancipated (i.e., your parents no longer have the legal right to make decisions on your behalf)?

Duh. I just wondered if parental notification laws recognized that.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sgtclub
No - the person that performed the abortion. Most guys would see this as a violation.

Medical procedures are more of a violation than someone fucking your daughter? If she can't consent to the medical procedure, she certainly can't consent to the banging.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
More of a violation than her getting proinked?

This I don't see. If I recognize my daughter is having sex, and I'm sufficiently okay with it to let it continue, at least to my mind i've also decided that if she wants to get an abortion, that's her business. But I don't think many parents are okay with even (1).

Yes. I generally wouldn't feel violated if my daughter was getting "proinked" (that's a new one). And I would probably allow my daughter to make the decision, but I would want to be a part of it, if for no other reason than to support her. I wouldn't want strangers to make that decision for her.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Duh. I just wondered if parental notification laws recognized that.

So your question is whether their is something in the law that says "you are emancipated except in cases of abortion?"

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
Medical procedures are more of a violation than someone fucking your daughter? If she can't consent to the medical procedure, she certainly can't consent to the banging.

It is not the actual procedure, it is the decision making process.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Duh. I just wondered if parental notification laws recognized that.

Dunno. That's a back law question. Or, as they say in French Canada (I'm lead to believe) Le loi du dos.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by sgtclub
It is not the actual procedure, it is the decision making process.

and again--when your daugther is seduced by a pimply fourteen-year-old's crooning of Paradise by the Dashboard Light, you're cool with that decision making process.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by sgtclub
It is not the actual procedure, it is the decision making process.

So you'll go to the gyno with her to get the pill? And weigh the pros and cons of Rickey over Johnny? How sweet.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Yes. I generally wouldn't feel violated if my daughter was getting "proinked" (that's a new one). And I would probably allow my daughter to make the decision, but I would want to be a part of it, if for no other reason than to support her. I wouldn't want strangers to make that decision for her.

So when she decides to have sex, she's making her own decision. But when she decides to have an abortion because the condom broke or she took her pills wrong or whatever, some stranger is making the decision for her?

That makes no sense.

[Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
There are hundreds of other reasons that a health care provider might want to know if a patient is pregnant.

As an aside, I'll note that every woman I have every talked to about health care practices for teens and college students leads me to conclude that it is an almost irrebutable presumption that any woman seeking a doctor's care is pregnant.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Given the consequence of getting an abortion are also quite high, it's only slightly counterintuitive that one would be less insistent in ensuring that the person be informed about all the risks and consequences of either choice.

Nothing about parental consent or notification laws relates to providing information about risks and consequences. Sure, in theory, it would be nice to imagine that the parents will sit down and calmly explain all the risks and consequences.

In theory, Marxism worked really well.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Because you suggest that parental notification not be required because the stakes are so high.

Because I'm recognizing the reality that parental consent (or notification -- you've been switching) laws can result in girls choosing not to have safe, legal abortions.