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[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
As an aside, I'll note that every woman I have every talked to about health care practices for teens and college students leads me to conclude that it is an almost irrebutable presumption that any woman seeking a doctor's care is pregnant.

And presumptively so scared to tell a doctor about it, even in total privacym, that doctors feel they have to ask twelve different ways. What does that tell you about the actual real-life feasibility of having to get parental consent or get up in front of a judge?

ETA I am fine, utterly and completely fine, with even a few HOURS of counseling on STDs and birth control and stuff in connection with any abortion, though it seems silly if the abortion is, say, for the health of the mother and the baby was actually wanted.

[greatwhitenorthchick]

Originally posted by sgtclub
So your question is whether their is something in the law that says "you are emancipated except in cases of abortion?"

Never mind. I googled it. Apparently in several states, even partial emancipation includes the right to make decisions about a pregnancy. Emancipation is a pretty gray area.

(maryland, for example).
http://www.peoples-law.org/children/...tm#What%20does

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
A FOXNEWS spokesperson responded: "Ted is understandably bitter having lost his ratings, his network and now his mind -- we wish him well."

That's a good response.

It appears they dumped the guy who encouraged them to sue Al Franken.

[Replaced_Texan]

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Dunno. That's a back law question. Or, as they say in French Canada (I'm lead to believe) Le loi du dos.

In Texas, children who have had the disability of minority removed (isn't that a great term of art) do not have to have their abortions reported to their parents.

I forgot in my list above, that kids can consent to some of their own counseling.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
In Texas, children who have had the disability of minority removed (isn't that a great term of art) do not have to have their abortions reported to their parents.

I forgot in my list above, that kids can consent to some of their own counseling.

And I'm curious why club is not giving any response about how those kinds of consent are different from consenting to abortion.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Given that the health risks of a young girl carrying a pregnancy to term are probably higher than getting an abortion by a licensed, experienced doctor . . .

For people in urban areas, none of the restrictions are very onerous. For someone in a more rural area or small town, going to the local judge can be akin to announcing to the whole town you are pregnant. No, it shouldn't be, but it can be. And there is unlikely to be a practitioner within easy traveling distance, so the "wait a week" or "wait 2 days" requirement is not the relatively simple hurdle it might seem.


oh, fuck it, this is such a pointless argument. No one EVER EVER changes their minds.

Whatever happened to the San Francisco grocery bag debate?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
So you'll go to the gyno with her to get the pill? And weigh the pros and cons of Rickey over Johnny? How sweet.

Yep.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
So when she decides to have sex, she's making her own decision. But when she decides to have an abortion because the condom broke or she took her pills wrong or whatever, some stranger is making the decision for her?

That makes no sense.

It makes sense if you understand that I plan on educating all my kids about sex very early on and often, so I would have already had ample opportunity to shape her decision making process on sex, birth control, etc.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
It makes sense if you understand that I plan on educating all my kids about sex very early on and often, so I would have already had ample opportunity to shape her decision making process on sex, birth control, etc.

But their friends who have not had the benefit of such excellent parenting?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Because I'm recognizing the reality that parental consent (or notification -- you've been switching) laws can result in girls choosing not to have safe, legal abortions.

Oh I see now. Is that really an option? I always thought it was a scare tactic.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
So you'll go to the gyno with her to get the pill? And weigh the pros and cons of Rickey over Johnny? How sweet.
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Originally posted by sgtclub
Yep.

And if she doesn't want to talk to you about those decisions, you want the gov't to require her to?

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
And I'm curious why club is not giving any response about how those kinds of consent are different from consenting to abortion.

I don't understand your question.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
But their friends who have not had the benefit of such excellent parenting?

What about them? I was asked I want to play a part in the abortion process but not the sex process.

[Sidd Finch]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Oh I see now. Is that really an option? I always thought it was a scare tactic.

That's one way of dealing with any concern contrary to your position -- write it off as a scare tactic.

In your world, parental consent laws lead to happy shiny kids, whose parents always talked with them openly about sex like you plan to, getting sage and kindly advice from mom and dad about the abortion -- advice they never, ever would have sought out without the firm hand of government telling them that they had to before they could seek medical treatment.

Gotcha.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by sgtclub
I don't understand your question.

If I can have sex without parental notification* (and, if I'm over about 14 or so, and the guy isn't too much older than I am, without there being any crime involved), and I can get medical care for my pregnancy without parental consent or notification, and I can get treated for drug and/or alcohol dependency without parental notification, why can't I get an abortion from without parental notification?

*for "notification" read "notification or consent"