Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by nononono
The whole world is non-ideal. But we prioritize what matters and what does not. I don't know; I have a hard time with this. I support the war, have consistently, and I believe that country is better off without SH. But what they propose (or impliedly propose by failing to specify otherwise) should piss us off more. Perhaps it is not a direct security threat and so should be viewed somewhat differently than things that fall into that category, but it should not be a "soft" goal or something reserved for an "ideal" world.

Penskeworld is ideal.

Maybe we are lobbying behind the scenes because maybe we ascertain that is a more effective route than challenging the marginally sovereign government publicly. Or maybe W doesn't give a rat's arse about the issue. Hard to say. I hope the former, but then again, this ain't penskeworld.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
How did the women's rights get there before, if it's some econ thing but SH was so bad? How do you explain the relative lack of women's rights in, say, our friend Saudi Arabia, which I think is fairly economically developed?

Ach, why do I bother, you are obsessed that free markets bring all and only good.

Saudi ARabia is not a free market economy. Its state owned, with the state being an oligarchy. For social control of the non-oligarchy masses, the state contracts with religious extremist. Adding to the anomalous situaton, the oligarchy realises almost 200B in revenue a year.

Saudi Arabia is probably the worst example. they are rich, power is absolute and concentrated and the social program is oppressive by faithful compliance. We really would be doing humanity a favor by leveling it, although I am not sure you can nuke it into submission without comprising the oil fields.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
How did the women's rights get there before, if it's some econ thing but SH was so bad? How do you explain the relative lack of women's rights in, say, our friend Saudi Arabia, which I think is fairly economically developed?

Ach, why do I bother, you are obsessed that free markets bring all and only good.

Saudi Arabia is not really a developed country. It has no industry save oil. The government controls the oil so everyone has to suck up to the government. But now that you brought it up. In India, were on paper, women have equal rights, widows are often thrown on funeral pyres. There is poverty and women have no rights. If you look at all the developed countrys in the world they all have much better respect for women's rights than the underdeveloped world. I think there was some provinces in Swizterland that just allowed women to vote (past twenty years). In 1985 I think a women would have much preferred to be an average women in one of the disenfranchised counties in switzerland as opposed to being a random women born in India.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
Saudi Arabia is not really a developed country. It has no industry save oil. The government controls the oil so everyone has to suck up to the government. But now that you brought it up. In India, were on paper, women have equal rights, widows are often thrown on funeral pyres. There is poverty and women have no rights. If you look at all the developed countrys in the world they all have much better respect for women's rights than the underdeveloped world. I think there was some provinces in Swizterland that just allowed women to vote (past twenty years). In 1985 I think a women would have much preferred to be an average women in one of the disenfranchised counties in switzerland as opposed to being a random women born in India.

Aside from voting, were they limited in their rights? Like, economically?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
you are obsessed that free markets bring all and only good.

Do you realize how stupid this statement makes you sound. It is like sarcastically remarking Spanky is obsessed with cleaning his hands before surgery. Why does he think it is so important to keep his hands clean in surgery. Spanky is obsessed with having the breaks work in his car. Like not having breaks is such a crisis.


Life in underdeveloped countries sucks. No matter what the laws say, and how many rights you have on paper, your life sucks.

Developed countrys have it made. Almost all developed countrys have good education systems, good health systems, human rights, and they treat the environment better.

Every type of economic system has been tried in ths past one hundred years and now, through trial and error, everyone that has been paying attention knows which economic policies lead to growth. And this is basically the free market approach. So lets review.

Free markets lead to growth, then prosperty. Developed countrys governments generally respect human rights and educate their populations.

Screwed up economic policies leads to poverty were womens rights, equal rights etc. don't do you much good because you are starving and your life sucks. Government can't help much because it has no money.

So free markets are pretty much the most important thing a country should focus on.

It is not that complicated. Why can't the morons on this board get this simple concept.

[ltl/fb]

Originally posted by Spanky
Do you realize how stupid this statement makes you sound. It is like sarcastically remarking Spanky is obsessed with cleaning his hands before surgery. Why does he think it is so important to keep his hands clean in surgery. Spanky is obsessed with having the breaks work in his car. Like not having breaks is such a crisis.


Live in underdeveloped countries sucks. No matter what the laws say, and how many rights you have on paper your life sucks.

Developed countrys have it made. Almost all developed countrys have good education systems, good health systems, human rights, and they treat the environment better.

Every type of economic system has been tried in ths past one hundred years and now, through trial and error, everyone that has been paying attention knows there are certain economic policies that lead to growth. And this is basically the free market approach. So lets review.

Free markets lead to growth, then prosperty. Developed countrys governments generally respect human rights and educate their populations.

Screwed up economic policies leads to poverty were womens rights, equal rights etc. don't do you much good because you are starving and your life sucks. Government can't help much because it has no money.

So free markets are pretty much the most important thing a country should focus on.

It is not that complicated. Why can't the morons on this board get this simple concept.

That was fun.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Aside from voting, were they limited in their rights? Like, economically?

Would it matter? A women in Swizerland in 1985 whose job was to clean toilets was infinitely better off than the average women in India in 1985.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Do you realize how stupid this statement makes you sound. It is like sarcastically remarking Spanky is obsessed with cleaning his hands before surgery. Why does he think it is so important to keep his hands clean in surgery. Spanky is obsessed with having the breaks work in his car. Like not having breaks is such a crisis.


Live in underdeveloped countries sucks. No matter what the laws say, and how many rights you have on paper your life sucks.

Developed countrys have it made. Almost all developed countrys have good education systems, good health systems, human rights, and they treat the environment better.

Every type of economic system has been tried in ths past one hundred years and now, through trial and error, everyone that has been paying attention knows there are certain economic policies that lead to growth. And this is basically the free market approach. So lets review.

Free markets lead to growth, then prosperty. Developed countrys governments generally respect human rights and educate their populations.

Screwed up economic policies leads to poverty were womens rights, equal rights etc. don't do you much good because you are starving and your life sucks. Government can't help much because it has no money.

So free markets are pretty much the most important thing a country should focus on.

It is not that complicated. Why can't the morons on this board get this simple concept.

2. I consider myself a non-moron, an anti-moron even. I have, however, been fascinated with the left's moronic disdain for free markets for decades. going beyond your last quesiton, what is it about socialism and/or communism that attracts the Democrats and other liberals in our country and Western Europe?

the only answer I have consistently hit on is that these people are so lacking in self-esteem and self-confidence that they need to have create and uphold an illusion of an all-powerful and benevolent nanny state that will save them from their own inadequacy. Mixed in here is a general fear and aversion to the concept of personal responsibility. Scary, but I pin the blame on the union controlled public schools.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by ltl/fb
That was fun.

Non-responsive.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by Spanky
Would it matter? A women in Swizerland in 1985 whose job was to clean toilets was infinitely better off than the average women in India in 1985.

They stilll don't get it, but I applaud your perserverance.

I will take the powerful force of the invisble hand over anything that the hand of a politician puts down in writing on a piece of paper. Even if it is hemp paper.

[sgtclub]

Originally posted by Not Bob
Let me ask you and Club a serious question that may not sound serious.

It is starting to look like women in the new Iraq will have fewer rights than men in the new Iraq. I won't praise Hussein's rule, but under the Ba'athists, Iraq was a secular state and somewhat modeled itself on the Soviet Union. Women and men were treated equally ("equally badly" I hear, and I don't disagree), and women were able to wear what they wanted, drive, etc. -- all unusual in an Arab country.

When RT pointed out that women were losing rights under the draft Iraqi constitution, Club stated that they were better off with Hussein gone, and his unstated point was that the loss of rights was not a big enough deal for the US to interfere with.

Ok, here's the question -- if the draft constitution nationalized private property would you still be so blase? Or if it instituted a non-free market economic system?

Club wasn't involved in that discussion.

[Penske_Account]

Originally posted by sgtclub
Club wasn't involved in that discussion.

Chicken.

[nononono]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
They stilll don't get it, but I applaud your perserverance.

I will take the powerful force of the invisble hand over anything that the hand of a politician puts down in writing on a piece of paper. Even if it is hemp paper.

They who? I'm still waiting for a response (hope I didn't just miss it) to my comment about getting an economy going while willfully preventing a good chunk of your workforce and brain power from participating (and worse).

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
The Gorelick Wall, for which they are directly responsible, led to 911.

This is unmitigated horseshit.

Gorelick's attempt to cover it up and the related ommission of Able Danger from the 911 Commission report undermines our current policy adjustments that were supposed to be effected based the 911 Report.

Likewise, unmitigated horseshit. You are working so hard to pin 9/11 on a Democrat that you have announced that the Pentagon (the Rumsfeld Pentagon) was tracking Mohammed Atta before 9/11, without thinking about who this means is responsible for what.

As a related topic, what documents exactly did Berger steal? Could they have been related to the Gorelick wall, other 911 related knowledge?

No, they could not have been, and the fact that you bothered to frame this as a question is a solid indicator that you understand that this, at least, is unmitigated horseshit.

All of this is poiintedly more relevant when one correctly acknowledges that a hillary presidenty, god forbid, would be a third term.

Thank you for putting the above horseshit in context of your particular brand of lunacy.






I think that they are doing the hard work on these items or some of them. Its not a wand waving exercise.



Frankly, I'll be dead. I'll take the present consumption and hope that the appreciation on our national real estate will provide our grandchildren with a collective windfall when they cash out their equity. [/QUOTE]

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent, Syria has not been searched. Sorry to distract you with reality.

Pretty clever of them -- knowing that we'd occupy the country, they moved not only the WMD, but the tools and equipment used to make them, and all of the documentary evidence of their very existence. And they managed to do this while the country was under wartime surveillance and while our airpower was bombing anything that moved on the highways.

eta: The Iraq Survey Group ruled out your Syria nonsense, as I've previously pointed out when you spouted this crap before.