Making Baby Jesus Cry

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I've heard neither of them say they are against us having missile defense as a general proposition.

As a "general proposition". What the hell does that mean? As a general proposition everyone on this board supports the Iraq war as long as it does not cost anything, makes all the Arabs and the rest of the world love us, and will establish an immediate and stable democracy in Iraq.

Originally posted by Shape Shifter They seem to view it as an expensive proposition with little chance of success. If we could order it from Time-Warner for $44.95/month and worked about as often as cable, I'm sure they'd go for it.

In other words they would kill all funding to it today. In my book that does not mean support. So not everyone on this board supports SDI.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I've heard neither of them say they are against us having missile defense as a general proposition. They seem to view it as an expensive proposition with little chance of success. If we could order it from Time-Warner for $44.95/month and worked about as often as cable, I'm sure they'd go for it.

Wrong. You either do it whole hog or not at all. And I don't view it as unlikely to succeed. I view it as impossible, and a grotesque fucking waste of money.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
We shouldn't spend any money on SDI. Its sheer idiocy. Notwithstanding that SDI is bunk - nothing more than a bluff Reagan used aginst Russia - the sole use for it would be to stop a North Korean attack, an event that will never occur. The likelihood of a NK attack on the US is ZERO. It. Will. Never. Happen.

I'll add that I haven't found a single credible news story stating that NK has a missile that can get a nuke over to our shores. If you punch "ICBM" and "North Korea" into Google, you get refernces to fucking NewsMax.com.

So, to recap:

You want to spend some (not a lot, but at least some) money on a fictional, fantastic, never-designed-to-actually-be-implented and wouldn't be completed and perfected for at least two decades anyway missile defense system to protect us from missiles that will never be launched by a tin pot dictator. And you favor doing so when a real threat of a dirty bomb or tactical nuke being smuggled into our country exists.

Oh, BTW, how does one spend "some" money on SDI? Do you only cover Texas and Washington? Or maybe California and New York? How does one just "dip his foot," economically speaking, into building the worlds most ambitious weapons deterrent system in history? Putting aside the fact that it can't be done, theoretically, the only way to do SDI is to do it all or nothing.

Sheer insanity.

They have a three stage rocket. You obviously haven't been paying attention but I posted a bunch of links before where both the Pentagon and the CIA said that North Korea could hit the Western Seaboard. I think I also quoted George Tenet responding to a direct question from Hillary Clinton that they could hit anywhere in the continental United States.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
I've heard neither of them say they are against us having missile defense as a general proposition. They seem to view it as an expensive proposition with little chance of success. If we could order it from Time-Warner for $44.95/month and worked about as often as cable, I'm sure they'd go for it.

so the argument is about whether to get the premium package?

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
As a "general proposition". What the hell does that mean? As a general proposition everyone on this board supports the Iraq war as long as it does not cost anything, makes all the Arabs and the rest of the world love us, and will establish an immediate and stable democracy in Iraq.

In other words they would kill all funding to it today. In my book that does not mean support. So not everyone on this board supports SDI.

1. I think we should have dealt with the Saudis. I don't support Iraq in any scenario. Iraq is an easy gut shot where a right cross to the bridge of the nose was needed. You want to call someone lilly livered - call your fucking President lilly livered. If he weren't so busy slupring up their loads, he might have told the Saudis to get their shit in order or prepare to be taken over. He picked a fight with the kid who couldn't fight back.

2. I'd kill every inch of SDI funding. You might as well spend that money investigating Loch Ness.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so the argument is about whether to get the premium package?

Add a few movie channels and the price really starts going up.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Spanky
They have a three stage rocket. You obviously haven't been paying attention but I posted a bunch of links before where both the Pentagon and the CIA said that North Korea could hit the Western Seaboard. I think I also quoted George Tenet responding to a direct question from Hillary Clinton that they could hit anywhere in the continental United States.

Tenet? Not credible. Need I explain why?

Clinton? Not credible. Wants to make NK look like a threat because that allows her to criticize Bush for attacking the wrong dangerous despot.

Pentagon? Hmmm. Lets see... why on Earth would they be biased?

CIA? See: "Tenet," above. BTW, its funny how the CIA is a lousy pack of useless shitbags with bad intel when they're after your boy Rove, but suddenly, their intel becomes Exhibit A when it supports you.

And no, you don't build a frigging SDI to protect California and HI from the rumor of three warheads which MIGHT be able, if all the stars aligned properly, to reach Cali's shores. The cost/benefit on that doesn't need explaining.

Those NK screwheads would need an unbelievable luck to get an ICBM over here if they had an ICBM. Those missiles often miss and malfunction. You think NK has any experience launching something that techologically complicated?

SDI, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Nessy, UFOs, Near Death Experiences... all the same.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
Tenet? Not credible. Need I explain why?

Clinton? Not credible. Wants to make NK look like a threat because that allows her to criticize Bush for attacking the wrong dangerous despot.

Pentagon? Hmmm. Lets see... why on Earth would they be biased?

CIA? See: "Tenet," above. BTW, its funny how the CIA is a lousy pack of useless shitbags with bad intel when they're after your boy Rove, but suddenly, their intel becomes Exhibit A when it supports you.

And no, you don't build a frigging SDI to protect California and HI from the rumor of three warheads which MIGHT be able, if all the stars aligned properly, to reach Cali's shores. The cost/benefit on that doesn't need explaining.

Those NK screwheads would need an unbelievable luck to get an ICBM over here if they had an ICBM. Those missiles often miss and malfunction. You think NK has any experience launching something that techologically complicated?

SDI, Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Nessy, UFOs, Near Death Experiences... all the same.

If you have kids you'll be investing in some of those.,

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
If you have kids you'll be investing in some of those.,

If you're insinuating that I'll be come some rigid "Protect America! We can do no wrong!" hard on after I have kids, you don't know me. I've a load of buddies who got all fucked up on that family values/respect for country horseshit bandwagon because they decided they were suddently "family men." They look and sound like jackasses.

[Gattigap]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If you're insinuating that I'll be come some rigid "Protect America! We can do no wrong!" hard on after I have kids, you don't know me. I've a load of buddies who got all fucked up on that family values/respect for country horseshit bandwagon because they decided they were suddently "family men." They look and sound like jackasses.

Nah. He's just referring to his "investments" in Near Death Experiences. The adrenaline rush keeps his life lively, even after kids.

[Hank Chinaski]

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
If you're insinuating that I'll be come some rigid "Protect America! We can do no wrong!" hard on after I have kids, you don't know me. I've a load of buddies who got all fucked up on that family values/respect for country horseshit bandwagon because they decided they were suddently "family men." They look and sound like jackasses.

I meant you're Christian so you'll be dropping money on Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

Originally posted by Spanky
Wrong: T-Rex does not think we should spend any money, neither does Sebastian Dangerfield. I have never said a blank check just that it should be a priority. It is the people that don't want to spend anything that I don't understand. People keep saying "well everyone wants the program - it is just a question of how much" are not paying attention. Unless of course T-Rex and Sebastian want to correct me.

I don't have a problem funding some basic research, but we are way, way beyond that point.

[sebastian_dangerfield]

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
I don't have a problem funding some basic research, but we are way, way beyond that point.

We funded it in 1985. They said "Hey, Ronny, this lead zeppelin might just break those Commies... You got a good poker face?" Ronnie smiled and said "Am I selling weapons to Iran? Gimme that dossier... I'll have that port wine stained bald little fucker grovelling like a bitch after my performance."

[Replaced_Texan]

I assume there are some comic geeks here?



LIBERALITY FOR ALL #1
It is 2021, tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of 9/11 It is up to an underground group of bio-mechanically enhanced conservatives led by Sean Hannity, G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North to thwart Ambassador Usama Bin Laden's plans to nuke New York City ...And wake the world from an Orwellian nightmare of United Nations- dominated ultra-liberalism.

[Shape Shifter]

Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I assume there are some comic geeks here?



LIBERALITY FOR ALL #1
It is 2021, tomorrow is the 20th anniversary of 9/11 It is up to an underground group of bio-mechanically enhanced conservatives led by Sean Hannity, G. Gordon Liddy and Oliver North to thwart Ambassador Usama Bin Laden's plans to nuke New York City ...And wake the world from an Orwellian nightmare of United Nations- dominated ultra-liberalism.