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Old 07-01-2005, 04:26 PM   #1996
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It is meant as a compliment, so pull that PC overly sensitive stick out of your derrier.
I'd have to agree RT. Lighten up a little.

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I saw last night on CSPAN that a bipartisan congressional group will be proposing new legislation that would deny federal funding to any state that does a Connecticut-like taking. Interesting to see that folks like Maxine Watters are lined up behind this bill.
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I saw last night on CSPAN that a bipartisan congressional group will be proposing new legislation that would deny federal funding to any state that does a Connecticut-like taking. Interesting to see that folks like Maxine Watters are lined up behind this bill.
It passed 238-139 in the House: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...063001082.html
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I'd have to agree RT. Lighten up a little.

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Ha. Ha.
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You would prefer "reverse cowgirl"?

TM said something on the FB the other day about people who don't think racism exists anymore. This is a good analogue re: sexism. Wasn't O'Connor offered positions as legal secretary rather than associate after she graduated from law school? How infuriating to read such comments about her on her retirement. I don't care if she refers to herself as an Arizona cowgirl, it's demeaning for Frist and Bush to say that. Maybe it wouldn't be if the makeup were 7 to 2 the other way.

And Hank, the "humble beginnings" thing isn't all there is to those comments. It's just.plain. different. from calling Bush a "simple cowboy." and not just because he's not that at all.
Oh boo! I am gender neutral but its comments like that that make me want to be gratuitously offensive just for the sake of offending the PC policias' sensibility.

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Oh boo! I am gender neutral but its comments like that that make me want to be gratuitously offensive just for the sake of offending the PC policias' sensibility.

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I don't know why but this Op Ed piece made me laugh. It is pretty over the top.

Dear Editor,

Please consider this Op-Ed submission from the Ayn Rand Institute.

The Ten Commandments vs. America

Can a nation of freedom, individualism and the pursuit of happiness be based on the Ten Commandments?

By Harry Binswanger

Now that the U.S. Supreme Court has handed down two seemingly opposite rulings on governmental displays of the Ten Commandments, the decibel level on this issue is sure to go up not down.

But before we go through yet another round of the familiar political-legal debate, isn't it time to face the deeper set of issues that finds no forum and no discussion: What is the content of the Ten Commandments? What is their philosophic meaning and what kind of society do they imply?

Religious conservatives claim that the Ten Commandments supplied the moral groundwork for the establishment of America. But in logic is that even possible? Put aside the sheerly historical question of what sources the Founding Fathers, mostly Deists, drew upon. Let's confront the deeper question here: Can a nation of freedom, individualism and the pursuit of happiness be reconciled with the worldview embodied in the Ten Commandments?

Let's look at the commandments. The wording differs among the Catholic, Protestant and Hebrew versions, but the content is the same.

The first commandment is: "I am the Lord thy God."

As first, it is the fundamental. Its point is the assertion that the individual is not an independent being with a right to live his own life but the vassal of an invisible Lord. It says, in effect, "I own you; you must obey me."

Could America be based on this? Is such a servile idea even consistent with what America represents: the land of the free, independent, sovereign individual who exists for his own sake? The question is rhetorical.

The second commandment is an elaboration of the above, with material about not serving any other god and not worshipping "graven images" (idols). The Hebrew and Protestant versions threaten heretics with reprisals against their descendants--inherited sin--"visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation . . ."

This primitive conception of law and morality flatly contradicts American values. Inherited guilt is an impossible and degrading concept. How can you be guilty for something you didn't do? In philosophic terms, it represents the doctrine of determinism, the idea that your choices count for nothing, that factors beyond your control govern your "destiny." This is the denial of free will and therefore of self-responsibility.

The nation of the self-made man cannot be squared with the ugly notion that you are to be punished for the "sin" of your great-grandfather.

The numbering differs among the various versions, but the next two or three commandments proscribe taking the Lord's name "in vain" and spending a special day, the Sabbath, in propitiating Him.

In sum, the first set of commandments orders you to bow, fawn, grovel and obey. This is impossible to reconcile with the American concept of a self-reliant, self-owning individual.

The middle commandment, "Honor thy father and mother," is manifestly unjust. Justice demands that you honor those who deserve honor, who have earned it by their choices and actions. Your particular father and mother may or may not deserve your honor--that is for you to judge on the basis of how they have treated you and of a rational evaluation of their moral character.

To demand that Stalin's daughter honor Stalin is not only obscene, but also demonstrates the demand for mindlessness implicit in the first set of commandments. You are commanded not to think or judge, but to jettison your reason and simply obey.

The second set of commandments is unobjectionable but is common to virtually every organized society--the commandments against murder, theft, perjury and the like. But what is objectionable is the notion that there is no rational, earthly basis for refraining from criminal behavior, that it is only the not-to-be-questioned decree of a supernatural Punisher that makes acts like theft and murder wrong.

The basic philosophy of the Ten Commandments is the polar opposite of the philosophy underlying the American ideal of a free society. Freedom requires:

-- a metaphysics of the natural, not the supernatural; of free will, not determinism; of the primary reality of the individual, not the tribe or the family;

-- an epistemology of individual thought, applying strict logic, based on individual perception of reality, not obedience and dogma;

-- an ethics of rational self-interest, to achieve chosen values, for the purpose of individual happiness on this earth, not fearful, dutiful appeasement of "a jealous God" who issues "commandments."

Rather than the Ten Commandments, the actual grounding for American values is that captured by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged:

"If I were to speak your kind of language, I would say that man's only moral commandment is: Thou shalt think. But a 'moral commandment' is a contradiction in terms. The moral is the chosen, not the forced; the understood, not the obeyed. The moral is the rational, and reason accepts no commandments."

Dr. Harry Binswanger is a member of the board of directors of the Ayn Rand Institute (www.AynRand.org) and teaches philosophy at ARI's Objectivist Academic Center. The Institute promotes the ideas of Ayn Rand--best-selling author of Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead and originator of the philosophy she called "Objectivism."
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You would prefer "reverse cowgirl"?

TM said something on the FB the other day about people who don't think racism exists anymore. This is a good analogue re: sexism. Wasn't O'Connor offered positions as legal secretary rather than associate after she graduated from law school? How infuriating to read such comments about her on her retirement. I don't care if she refers to herself as an Arizona cowgirl, it's demeaning for Frist and Bush to say that. Maybe it wouldn't be if the makeup were 7 to 2 the other way.

And Hank, the "humble beginnings" thing isn't all there is to those comments. It's just.plain. different. from calling Bush a "simple cowboy." and not just because he's not that at all.
It is you ridiculously self-righteous "aren't we all victims" types that really help recruitment for the Republican Party. So I guess I should be thankful.

Yes - O'Conner was discriminated against when she got out. Even though she was number three in her class at Stanford (Rehnquist was #1) she had a really tough time finding a job. But how infuriating? Where you not aware that there was serious sexism in the U.S. in the 1950s?

Since when is being called a cowgirl an insult? My mother grew up on a ranch, and she likes to be called a cowgirl. She used to compete in Rodeos and thinks it is a compliment. To show she can compete with the cowboys.

Here is Bush and Frist tying to compliment her and you guys freak out. And what does the makeup of the court have to do with it? The phrase would be OK if there were more Women? That doesn't make any sense at all. Either the phrase is bigoted or it is not.

Lighten up Francis.
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[Were] you not aware that there was serious sexism in the U.S. in the 1950s?
Thank goodness it's all gone now, like racism. And both scourges banished from society without all of that irritating whining we hear from the left these days. Get with the program, indeed.
 
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Thank goodness it's all gone now, like racism. And both scourges banished from society without all of that irritating whining we hear from the left these days. Get with the program, indeed.
Maybe you can find some shirt type that shows you sympathize with women-born-on-farm-go-to-lawschool, something that might help you beat the heat.
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Thank goodness it's all gone now, like racism. And both scourges banished from society without all of that irritating whining we hear from the left these days. Get with the program, indeed.
1) I never said that there was no sexism today.

2) This post assumes that all this censoring of speech helps reduce racism and sexism. I think that is a ridiculous assumption.

3) The statement that she rose from a cowgirl to being on the supreme court is not sexist. And trying to label it as sexist diminishes the legitimacy of critisizing other comments that really are sexist. If you cry wolf too many times people stop taking you seriously.
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It is you ridiculously self-righteous "aren't we all victims" types that really help recruitment for the Republican Party. So I guess I should be thankful.

Yes - O'Conner was discriminated against when she got out. Even though she was number three in her class at Stanford (Rehnquist was #1) she had a really tough time finding a job. But how infuriating? Where you not aware that there was serious sexism in the U.S. in the 1950s?

Since when is being called a cowgirl an insult? My mother grew up on a ranch, and she likes to be called a cowgirl. She used to compete in Rodeos and thinks it is a compliment. To show she can compete with the cowboys.

Here is Bush and Frist tying to compliment her and you guys freak out. And what does the makeup of the court have to do with it? The phrase would be OK if there were more Women? That doesn't make any sense at all. Either the phrase is bigoted or it is not.

Lighten up Francis.
Ha. I am not a ridiculously self righteous "we are all victims type," nor is RT. Actually, I am rather lighthearted.

My very point is that there was serious sexism in the 50s but that it's not entirely gone now.

If the makeup were 7 to 2 the other way, the balance of power between men and women in our society would clearly be different, so the comment would have different import. Bigotry is contextual and related to the balance of power, not objective. And I didn't say it was "bigoted," I said it was "demeaning."

That is not to say that O'Connor is not a powerful woman. It is to say that such a comment can have the effect of diminishing a powerful woman's accomplishments. That's why it's irksome. Surely you don't think the mere fact that something is "meant as a compliment" means that it can't be demeaning, do you, cutie pie?

I wouldn't describe my reaction as "freaking out," either. But you probably just think I'm some hysterical feminazi man-hater, don't you, my sweet little deerlick?

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Thank goodness it's all gone now, like racism. And both scourges banished from society without all of that irritating whining we hear from the left these days. Get with the program, indeed.

the only acceptable ism that the anti-bias anti-intellectual PC left wing will tolerate is anti-rightism. Peace and tolerance except for the Christians, Republicans, W voters, anyone with an honest difference of opinion on abortion rights or anyone who strays off the Democrat Plantation. Maybe you need to get with the program cowgirl!
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